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Post by Short_Biscuit on May 25, 2017 15:30:27 GMT
I hope the Niger Deltans, especially the hardheaded ijaws, follow Ibo people to Biafra. The kind civil war wey go shele there no go get part 2. They'll be so unstable that development will elude them. Angolan civil war will be child's play in comparison. Though it won't be easy sha coz I still doubt that the majority of the Niger Deltans would trust the igbos enough to cede their sovereignty to them just like that. Though sha, I personally would wish for nothing more than the actualization of Biafra.
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Post by Honorebu on May 25, 2017 15:40:02 GMT
It's a long thread so just click on it and it will direct you to twitter. Then scroll up to number 1 I hope the Niger Deltans, especially the hardheaded ijaws, follow Ibo people to Biafra. The kind civil war wey go shele there no go get part 2. They'll be so unstable that development will elude them. Angolan civil war will be child's play in comparison. Though it won't be easy sha coz I still doubt that the majority of the Niger Deltans would trust the igbos enough to cede their sovereignty to them just like that. Though sha, I personally would wish for nothing more than the actualization of Biafra. Imagine a country with Ijaws and Igbos? Wouldn't that be lovely? I think their presence in Rivers and Delta is what is giving them the impression that Biafra is popular over there lol. Those guys over there have always made it clear that they aren't Igbos. But that's none of my business lol. They can all go together. ππ
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on May 25, 2017 16:16:48 GMT
Her Highness , Ogbeni Ogunnaike , the surveys were conducted online and offline. Only open to indigenes of those zones I find the results from Bayelsa and Abia quite interesting. The same Bayelsa where they're killing them lol. They said most of the residents from Abia had reservations about him. Aba that's like the headquarters of the movement I agree with you guys it's not detailed enough. It's safe to say the survey is b.s lol, If I understand the report adequately though, it says exactly 50% (half) Bayelsans saw Kanu as some sort of freedom fighter. Which is much smaller than an almost unanimous agreement in other states of the SE. It goes further to say that Delta was the Only states than had LESS than 50% agreement that Kanu was a "Hero", except in the Igbo speaking areas of said state, where again.. agreement is unanimous. What that means is that the Anti Biafran/Kanu sentiments in the rest of the state (Urhobo, Isoko, Itsekiri, Ijaw) must have been pretty strong to drag the state's average below 50% Now many questions remain to be answered * What exactly were the questions they answered that made them consider him a freedom fighter? The statement on its own does not make much sense, tbh. Different people can be seen as freedom fighters, its all a matter of context. Zakzaki of the Shia movement is a freedom fighter to the shia's as well, despite being a terrorist. Considering Kanu a freedom fighter, in this period of strong Anti APC sentiments across the SS and other parts of the country might lead to an error of confounding variable effects if you know what I mean. I.e factors like a general apathy towards the general current Nigerian APC led regime with their associated failures, the current downturn in the national economy which I believe may have affected those Oil producing communities and states much worse than anyone else, general sympathy for Nnamdi Kanu due to the violation of his human right (which is only normal since people /humans generally tend to be empathetic) etc, might not necessarily translate or mean a willingness to want to be part of Biafra. Heck PLENTY Yoruba people if surveyed will tick all the right boxes to be considered 100% pro biafra. Are Fayose and FFK not big names in the Biafran agitation thingy? * Did the polling organization know about the Niger Delta republic movement, the Akwa Cross Republic movement and the other self determination groups of various ethnicities in the ND? Would they say Biafra comprised SE and SS if the right questions were asked about the option of being part of a biafran, or being controllers of their own destinies? One thing i am just happy about is that the movement seem not to have lost as much steam as I thought they would after the release of Kanu. In fact it seems to be gaining more int'l discourse, and I hope the pressure REALLY mounts on Nigeria to properly FEDERATE .. It is looking likelier by the day. I still don't see outright secession happening anytime soon, tbh.
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Post by Honorebu on May 25, 2017 18:13:31 GMT
Well fleshed out Ogbeni Ogunnaike πππ As regards why it hasn't lost steam, if you're talking about NL, then we have IpobExposed or whatever he calls himself to thank for that. Dude creates more threads than the other Ipob clowns combined I think another reason why it's still gathering momentum is because it's Biafra month. But I just have this feeling it will still lose steam considering the fact that we aren't far from the next election year But yeah..Restructuring looks more realistic than breakup. The regulars are already making promises as expected. Atiku and co
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Post by omohayek on May 25, 2017 18:19:07 GMT
I'm not really surprised by these results, and, unlike some of you guys, I actually do believe that the poll is credible. Is it really surprising that large numbers of Niger Deltans, coming from groups with long-held grievances against the FG, should rally behind a newly-released Kanu who the FG has made into an Igbo Nelson Mandela? As long as Kanu's Biafran struggle remains just a curiosity with no backing from any of the governors, members of the NASS, or sitting FG ministers, it will be easy enough for him to rally large numbers of Niger Deltans who see him as a means of sending a message to the FG. The question is how well that popularity will hold up if Biafran secession ever moves from mere theory to something that's really on the table. Once the various ND groups' leaders start weighing the prospect of being minorities in an Igbo-dominated state, and some of them start openly voicing their opposition to it, what will happen to the option's popularity? How will the ND minorities take it when their leaders are openly insulted and threatened by IPOB militants who see the hidden hand of an "Afonja" behind any doubt or criticism? It's easy for something that's not on offer to seem better than a reality whose unpleasant aspects stare one in the face every day. Personally, I am all for the Niger-Deltans leaving with the Igbos to form a Biafran state if they so desire. I'm certain that it will either devolve into another South Sudan or (at best) a larger Equatorial Guinea, but that is frankly not my problem as long as any internal conflict is kept out of our region. The real problem I have with all of this is that I just don't see the northern political elites ever allowing peaceful secession of the oil-producing regions from which they and all the other Nigerian political class are so used to feasting; I am 100% sure they will opt for another war rather than letting that happen, and then the question becomes what happens to our own part of the country. I am doubtful that most Yoruba people will really want to be stuck in an even more northern-dominated Nigeria which will now be almost entirely dependent on the revenues raised in the SW, but then the question is what exactly we can and should do about it. How do we get out of this Nigerian contraption without being dragged into a war against the northerners, especially given the total lack of trust and goodwill between the SW and the SE?
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Post by Her Highness on May 25, 2017 18:27:01 GMT
Well fleshed out Ogbeni Ogunnaike πππ As regards why it hasn't lost steam, if you're talking about NL, then we have IpobExposed or whatever he calls himself to thank for that. Dude creates more threads than the other Ipob clowns combined I think another reason why it's still gathering momentum is because it's Biafra month. But I just have this feeling it will still lose steam considering the fact that we aren't far from the next electionsBut yeah..Restructuring looks more realistic than breakup. The regulars are already making promises as expected. Atiku and co I disagree. I think election will make Biafra gain momentum, not lose it. During election, Ibos remember 1) they're 3rd class citizens 2) They haven't presided yet 3) they're left out and 4) That they're not well represented in the current government, according to them. These are some of the top reasons for their Biafra agitation.
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Post by Her Highness on May 25, 2017 18:41:38 GMT
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Post by Honorebu on May 25, 2017 18:44:00 GMT
What do you guys make of this? It's a long thread so just click on it and it will direct you to twitter. Then scroll up to number 1 I'm not really surprised by these results, and, unlike some of you guys, I actually do believe that the poll is credible. Is it really surprising that large numbers of Niger Deltans, coming from groups with long-held grievances against the FG, should rally behind a newly-released Kanu who the FG has made into an Igbo Nelson Mandela? As long as Kanu's Biafran struggle remains just a curiosity with no backing from any of the governors, members of the NASS, or sitting FG ministers, it will be easy enough for him to rally large numbers of Niger Deltans who see him as a means of sending a message to the FG. The question is how well that popularity will hold up if Biafran secession ever moves from mere theory to something that's really on the table. Once the various ND groups' leaders start weighing the prospect of being minorities in an Igbo-dominated state, and some of them start openly voicing their opposition to it, what will happen to the option's popularity? How will the ND minorities take it when their leaders are openly insulted and threatened by IPOB militants who see the hidden hand of an "Afonja" behind any doubt or criticism? It's easy for something that's not on offer to seem better than a reality whose unpleasant aspects stare one in the face every day. Personally, I am all for the Niger-Deltans leaving with the Igbos to form a Biafran state if they so desire. I'm certain that it will either devolve into another South Sudan or (at best) a larger Equatorial Guinea, but that is frankly not my problem as long as any internal conflict is kept out of our region. The real problem I have with all of this is that I just don't see the northern political elites ever allowing peaceful secession of the oil-producing regions from which they and all the other Nigerian political class are so used to feasting; I am 100% sure they will opt for another war rather than letting that happen, and then the question becomes what happens to our own part of the country. I am doubtful that most Yoruba people will really want to be stuck in an even more northern-dominated Nigeria which will now be almost entirely dependent on the revenues raised in the SW, but then the question is what exactly we can and should do about it. How do we get out of this Nigerian contraption without being dragged into a war against the Northerners, especially given the total lack of trust and goodwill between the SW and the SE? Interesting angle I agree the poll is credible but they weren't specific enough and they never told us how many people took part. One thing I know for sure is that while the NDeltans might actually cosign the idea and the movement, they definitely won't choose to be part of the proposed country. It's like the ipob clowns are working for the rest of us. And tbh, should restructuring happen, kudos would have to go to them. I don't think the North and the FG have ever taken this issue seriously until now. The emboldened is as sure as day. That country can't break up peacefully. Blood would have to be sacrificed. I don't think any of the Southern ethnic groups are ready to take that route. Also, I don't think Yorubas would opt to stay with the Northerners lol. Once the red mud people leave, it's every man to his tent.Β I think the problem of the North is fear. If Nigeria is restructured and they do well as a region, maybe they might even consider standing on their own. Who knows? And if I'm not mistaken, I once read that Ahmadu Bello was at some point in support of the North seceding from Nigeria Β
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Post by Honorebu on May 25, 2017 18:55:31 GMT
Well fleshed out Ogbeni Ogunnaike πππ As regards why it hasn't lost steam, if you're talking about NL, then we have IpobExposed or whatever he calls himself to thank for that. Dude creates more threads than the other Ipob clowns combined I think another reason why it's still gathering momentum is because it's Biafra month. But I just have this feeling it will still lose steam considering the fact that we aren't far from the next electionsBut yeah..Restructuring looks more realistic than breakup. The regulars are already making promises as expected. Atiku and co I disagree. I think election will make Biafra gain momentum, not lose it. During election, Ibos remember 1) they're 3rd class citizens 2) They haven't presided yet 3) they're left out and 4) That they're not well represented in the current government, according to them. These are some of the top reasons for their Biafra agitation. Lol...trust me, when it's election time, these guys will go back to their PDP nonsense. Was it not after 2015 elections they intensified the Biafra noise?
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Post by Her Highness on May 25, 2017 18:58:07 GMT
I disagree. I think election will make Biafra gain momentum, not lose it. During election, Ibos remember 1) they're 3rd class citizens 2) They haven't presided yet 3) they're left out and 4) That they're not well represented in the current government, according to them. These are some of the top reasons for their Biafra agitation. Lol...trust me, when it's election time, these guys will go back to their PDP nonsense. Was it not after 2015 elections they intensified the Biafra noise? Yes, but this is different. Biafra has never had this much support post-90s.
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Post by Honorebu on May 25, 2017 19:02:31 GMT
Lol...trust me, when it's election time, these guys will go back to their PDP nonsense. Was it not after 2015 elections they intensified the Biafra noise? Yes, but this is different. Biafra has never had this much support post-90s. Ileke, this thing go still die down once PDP enter. The FG were the ones who made the movement this huge by arresting the Cownu guy. Na dead, noise-making movement on a good day a la Massob. Shutting down the radio for spewing hate messages would have been enough. The movement would have died a natural death. It's normal for people to wail after elections.
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Post by Her Highness on May 25, 2017 19:09:59 GMT
Yes, but this is different. Biafra has never had this much support post-90s. Ileke, this thing go still die down once PDP enter. The FG were the ones who made the movement this huge by arresting the Cownu guy. Na dead, noise-making movement on a good day a la Massob. Shutting down the radio for spewing hate messages would have been enough. The movement would have died a natural death. It's normal for people to wail after elections. Shut down the radio? Didn't they fail at that?
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Post by Honorebu on May 25, 2017 19:24:08 GMT
Ileke, this thing go still die down once PDP enter. The FG were the ones who made the movement this huge by arresting the Cownu guy. Na dead, noise-making movement on a good day a la Massob. Shutting down the radio for spewing hate messages would have been enough. The movement would have died a natural death. It's normal for people to wail after elections. Shut down the radio? Didn't they fail at that? They tried to. But they were unsuccessful at it. This government is just F9 at everything. Smh
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Post by skebe on May 25, 2017 19:41:07 GMT
Aswear, I don't understand what you are all saying
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Post by Her Highness on May 25, 2017 19:48:26 GMT
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