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Post by skebe on May 25, 2017 19:50:29 GMT
I did, still can't wrap my head round the analysis
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Post by Honorebu on May 25, 2017 19:52:20 GMT
I wanted to tag Mr skebe but I thought he wouldn't be interested. Next time, I go alert you
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Post by Her Highness on May 25, 2017 19:55:49 GMT
I did, still can't wrap my head round the analysis We're trying to break down and interpret the data collected by SMB Intelligence pertaining to how Nigerians perceive the current Biafran struggle and its hero, Nnamdi Kanu. No offence, but I'm still trying to understand what you don't get from the discussion
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Post by skebe on May 25, 2017 19:56:38 GMT
I wanted to tag Mr skebe but I thought he wouldn't be interested. Next time, I go alert you You did right bro I'm more of a romance section person, lol
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Post by skebe on May 25, 2017 20:00:43 GMT
I did, still can't wrap my head round the analysis We're trying to break down and interpret the data collected by SMB Intelligence pertaining to how Nigerians perceive the current Biafran struggle and its hero, Nnamdi Kanu. No offence, but I'm still trying to understand what you don't get from the discussion Though I didn't read the analysis from the external site, so I didn't know the source and the people who voted. So, what first came to my mind is, who actually voted, is it credible... Afterwards, I saw posts that align with my view. Then again, someone explained why the votes might really reflect the views of the SSners, with some other core analysis, which I may have to read again lol, to understand it.
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Post by Her Highness on May 25, 2017 20:03:59 GMT
We're trying to break down and interpret the data collected by SMB Intelligence pertaining to how Nigerians perceive the current Biafran struggle and its hero, Nnamdi Kanu. No offence, but I'm still trying to understand what you don't get from the discussion Though I didn't read the analysis from the external site, so I didn't know the source and the people who voted. So, what first came to my mind is, who actually voted, is it credible... Afterwards, I saw posts that align with my view. Then again, someone explained why the votes might really reflect the views of the SSners, with some other core analysis, which I may have to read again lol, to understand it. In a nutshell, you got it! No worries, some posts takes 2 reads before I get it myself. Esp posts from Owoblow and Omohayek. Awon professors niyen.
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Post by Honorebu on May 25, 2017 20:05:49 GMT
I wanted to tag Mr skebe but I thought he wouldn't be interested. Next time, I go alert you You did right bro I'm more of a romance section person, lol I can spot a sarcastic post when I see one.
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Post by omohayek on May 25, 2017 20:10:57 GMT
I think the problem of the North is fear. If Nigeria is restructured and they do well as a region, maybe they might even consider standing on their own. Who knows? And if I'm not mistaken, I once read that Ahmadu Bello was at some point in support of the North seceding from Nigeria Here I have to play the hard-headed realist (or, if you prefer, cynic) and say that the conditions simply don't exist for the northerners to do any better on their own. Consider that without the south they will be lacking: - Any means of access to the sea, or access to any oceanic fiber pipelines. All their exports, imports and communication links will be entirely at the mercy of the SW (and the same will be true, albeit to a lesser extent, for the SE/SS).
- Any sources of revenue other than what they can get from heavily taxing their already suffering subsistence farmers; their textile factories and groundnut pyramids collapsed completely after the big oil money came in the 1970s.
- Most of the human resources that the southerners can take for granted. As unsatisfactory as education in the southern regions is today, they still seem like pillars of excellence compared to much of the north - especially the "core" north.
- The huge southern expatriate networks that act as sources of remittances and as reservoirs of talent. Rare exceptions like El-Rufai notwithstanding, how many northerners study abroad, much less work in international banks, tech companies, engineering firms, Hollywood, etc.?
- Perhaps most importantly, they lack even the will to admit where they are going wrong, let alone to start correcting their mistakes. Just look at the vicious reaction to the Emir of Kano's attempt at getting the north to face reality.
If the northerners - or at least their elites - were capable of looking honestly at themselves and working to fix their shortcomings, and they were lucky enough to get a capable, technocratic leader like Paul Kagame, then maybe they might stand a chance, assuming that the Nigerian divorce was amicable enough for the southerners to not simply cut them off from the outside world. The problem is that I don't see such capable leadership emerging in the region, given how delusional most of them are about what they really bring to the Nigerian table.
As for Ahmadu Bello's threats of secession, that is just a reflection of how long-standing the northern delusions of grandeur have been, and nothing more - remember that the south has always subsidized the north since amalgamation, and that was the entire purpose of merging northern and southern Nigeria in the first place! The northern coup-plotters of 1966 were just as eager to secede until the British pointed out to them the sorts of geo-strategic consequences I've noted above (and which have only grown worse since).
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Post by Her Highness on May 25, 2017 20:11:44 GMT
You did right bro I'm more of a romance section person, lol I can spot a sarcastic post when I see one. O ba eyin mejeji lara.
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Post by Honorebu on May 25, 2017 20:23:07 GMT
I think the problem of the North is fear. If Nigeria is restructured and they do well as a region, maybe they might even consider standing on their own. Who knows? And if I'm not mistaken, I once read that Ahmadu Bello was at some point in support of the North seceding from Nigeria Here I have to play the hard-headed realist (or, if you prefer, cynic) and say that the conditions simply don't exist for the northerners to do any better on their own. Consider that without the south they will be lacking: - Any means of access to the sea, or access to any oceanic fiber pipelines. All their exports, imports and communication links will be entirely at the mercy of the SW (and the same will be true, albeit to a lesser extent, for the SE/SS).
- Any sources of revenue other than what they can get from heavily taxing their already suffering subsistence farmers; their textile factories and groundnut pyramids collapsed completely after the big oil money came in the 1970s.
- Most of the human resources that the southerners can take for granted. As unsatisfactory as education in the southern regions is today, they still seem like pillars of excellence compared to much of the north - especially the "core" north.
- The huge southern expatriate networks that act as sources of remittances and as reservoirs of talent. Rare exceptions like El-Rufai notwithstanding, how many northerners study abroad, much less work in international banks, tech companies, engineering firms, Hollywood, etc.?
- Perhaps most importantly, they lack even the will to admit where they are going wrong, let alone to start correcting their mistakes. Just look at the vicious reaction to the Emir of Kano's attempt at getting the north to face reality.
If the northerners - or at least their elites - were capable of looking honestly at themselves and working to fix their shortcomings, and they were lucky enough to get a capable, technocratic leader like Paul Kagame, then maybe they might stand a chance, assuming that the Nigerian divorce was amicable enough for the southerners to not simply cut them off from the outside world. The problem is that I don't see such capable leadership emerging in the region, given how delusional most of them are about what they really bring to the Nigerian table.
As for Ahmadu Bello's threats of secession, that is just a reflection of how long-standing the northern delusions of grandeur have been, and nothing more - remember that the south has always subsidized the north since amalgamation, and that was the entire purpose of merging northern and southern Nigeria in the first place! The northern coup-plotters of 1966 were just as eager to secede until the British pointed out to them the sorts of geo-strategic consequences I've noted above (and which have only grown worse since).
Lol..You no like that region at all. It's a tough one for me tbh. I'm on the fence. While the signs that they can do well on their own aren't there, I still believe it's possible with more El-rufais. A lot of radical changes would have to be made though
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Post by Honorebu on May 25, 2017 20:24:03 GMT
I can spot a sarcastic post when I see one. O ba eyin mejeji lara.
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Post by omohayek on May 25, 2017 20:54:21 GMT
Lol..You no like that region at all. It's a tough one for me tbh. I'm on the fence. While the signs that they can do well on their own aren't there, I still believe it's possible with more El-rufais. A lot of radical changes would have to be made though Since you mention El-Rufai, I think it's also worth pointing out that the "north" is nowhere nearly as united as they like to make out, and the behavior of "core north" politicians like El-Rufai has sown the seeds of possible future conflict between the "core" northerners and the middle-belters, who will now be deprived of the possibility of appealing to southerners for political support in their struggles. I spent some time in the north during my teenage years, so I know that groups like the Angas, the Tivs, the Igalas, the Nupes and so forth have their own issues with how the "core" northerners try to force things down the throats of middle belt people. There's no guarantee that a Northern Nigeria won't also devolve into civil war. The funny thing about all the secessionist talk is that while the SW has made the least noise about secession over the years, it is also the most ethnically homogeneous part of the country, at least once economic migrants are excluded. If Nigeria ever breaks up, and most migrants are sent back to their home regions, only the SW will lack more than a few really tiny minorities to worry about, and it's not as if Eguns or Akokos stand out from the Yoruba majority unless they go out of their way to do so.
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Post by Honorebu on May 25, 2017 20:59:33 GMT
What are they planting sef? I've never heard of that. Anyway, this is just a ceremony to launch it lol. Not like they are going to take part in the full planting operation
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Post by Honorebu on May 25, 2017 21:07:16 GMT
Lol..You no like that region at all. It's a tough one for me tbh. I'm on the fence. While the signs that they can do well on their own aren't there, I still believe it's possible with more El-rufais. A lot of radical changes would have to be made though Since you mention El-Rufai, I think it's also worth pointing out that the "north" is nowhere nearly as united as they like to make out, and the behavior of "core north" politicians like El-Rufai has sown the seeds of possible future conflict between the "core" northerners and the middle-belters, who will now be deprived of the possibility of appealing to southerners for political support in their struggles. I spent some time in the north during my teenage years, so I know that groups like the Angas, the Tivs, the Igalas, the Nupes and so forth have their own issues with how the "core" northerners try to force things down the throats of middle belt people. There's no guarantee that a Northern Nigeria won't also devolve into civil war. The funny thing about all the secessionist talk is that while the SW has made the least noise about secession over the years, it is also the most ethnically homogeneous part of the country, at least once economic migrants are excluded. If Nigeria ever breaks up, and most migrants are sent back to their home regions, only the SW will lack more than a few really tiny minorities to worry about, and it's not as if Eguns or Akokos stand out from the Yoruba majority unless they go out of their way to do so. Spot on! That region is very complex. They appear united cos they are all benefiting from that political unity in Nigeria. Once they are left alone, the intra-ethnic squabble would rear its ugly head and it might even be more devastating than we expect because they are more diverse. The SW isn't guaranteed a roller coaster ride either tbh. Even under a restructured Nigeria, the Jalomi vs Tamodu, Tantala vs Ajani nonsense would start again. But I think our cool-headedness and aversion to violence would make things easier to manage compared to other regions. All the regions are bound to go through that intra-ethnic issue.
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Post by omohayek on May 25, 2017 22:14:39 GMT
Since you mention El-Rufai, I think it's also worth pointing out that the "north" is nowhere nearly as united as they like to make out, and the behavior of "core north" politicians like El-Rufai has sown the seeds of possible future conflict between the "core" northerners and the middle-belters, who will now be deprived of the possibility of appealing to southerners for political support in their struggles. I spent some time in the north during my teenage years, so I know that groups like the Angas, the Tivs, the Igalas, the Nupes and so forth have their own issues with how the "core" northerners try to force things down the throats of middle belt people. There's no guarantee that a Northern Nigeria won't also devolve into civil war. The funny thing about all the secessionist talk is that while the SW has made the least noise about secession over the years, it is also the most ethnically homogeneous part of the country, at least once economic migrants are excluded. If Nigeria ever breaks up, and most migrants are sent back to their home regions, only the SW will lack more than a few really tiny minorities to worry about, and it's not as if Eguns or Akokos stand out from the Yoruba majority unless they go out of their way to do so. Spot on! That region is very complex. They appear united cos they are all benefiting from that political unity in Nigeria. Once they are left alone, the intra-ethnic squabble would rear its ugly head and it might even be more devastating than we expect because they are more diverse. The SW isn't guaranteed a roller coaster ride either tbh. Even under a restructured Nigeria, the Jalomi vs Tamodu, Tantala vs Ajani nonsense would start again. But I think our cool-headedness and aversion to violence would make things easier to manage compared to other regions. All the regions are bound to go through that intra-ethnic issue. Actually, I think it says something positive about intra-Yoruba relations today that this is the first time I'm hearing about these conflicts. The old Modakeke vs. Ife strife was the only one I'd heard of in the modern era, and even that should be easily manageable in this day and age. The only real issue I see us having is what to do with the people in Kwara who claim to be "Fulani" even while they, their parents and even grandparents bear Yoruba names, and they have only been able to speak Yoruba for the last 3 or more generations, e.g. the Saraki family. My concern is that such people could potentially become a pro-North fifth column if the Yoruba-majority parts of Kwara was allowed to join the rest of the SW.
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