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Post by Short_Biscuit on Aug 24, 2017 20:24:06 GMT
Mehn, I went to that Facebook page. I read so many comments there and I was shocked. I also noticed the Yorubas peddling "One Nigeria" on that Facebook page were mostly Muslims. Is it that our people are not ethnic conscious? Religion na big problem Egbon mi, it breaks the heart to see how Yoruba folks are one Nigeria proponents and failing to see how the Nigerian project has short-changed us has a people for decades. I fear a regional system or Yoruba state may fail or never come into fruition considering how lopsided the proportions are -- in favour of pro-Nigeria Yaribas. I agree, too many are not conscious and also, too many have allowed religion <Islam & Christianity> blind them to the richness of their own culture and how it can contribute towards creating a Yoruba oriented system. At least I think awon Baba Awo's set, despite being schooled abroad, were in tune with Yoruba culture and that influenced the socio political drive for the people oriented government of that day. Spot on. I think another problem/reason why a lot of Yorubas seem conflicted about their stand concerning 'One Nigeria' has to do with party politics and what I like to call the 'Buhari factor'. I have observed that a lot of our people still have their faces stuck in Buhari's butt, and therefore find it difficult to identify with pro-Yoruba independence positions. For such people, it would have probably been easier for them to reject 'One Nigeria' under a PDP/GEJ regime instead. All this is because they fail to be objective in their assessment of our condition within the Nigerian space, that we can actually do much much better if we had autonomy to chart our own course in life. The truth is that, if the country is restructured along regional lines once again, it'll eventually lead to disintegration of Nigeria like it almost did the last time because regional identities would become more entrenched even more so than they are presently. That is why I'm willing to support that kind of restructuring. And it's the same reason why some are against it coz they know what it portends -- it'll almost like getting secession via the back-door. |
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Aug 24, 2017 20:34:08 GMT
Egbon mi, it breaks the heart to see how Yoruba folks are one Nigeria proponents and failing to see how the Nigerian project has short-changed us has a people for decades. I fear a regional system or Yoruba state may fail or never come into fruition considering how lopsided the proportions are -- in favour of pro-Nigeria Yaribas. I agree, too many are not conscious and also, too many have allowed religion <Islam & Christianity> blind them to the richness of their own culture and how it can contribute towards creating a Yoruba oriented system. At least I think awon Baba Awo's set, despite being schooled abroad, were in tune with Yoruba culture and that influenced the socio political drive for the people oriented government of that day. Spot on. I think another problem/reason why a lot of Yorubas seem conflicted about their stand concerning 'One Nigeria' has to do with party politics and what I like to call the 'Buhari factor'. I have observed that a lot of our people still have their faces stuck in Buhari's butt, and therefore find it difficult to identify with pro-Yoruba independence positions. For such people, it would have probably been easier for them to reject 'One Nigeria' under a PDP/GEJ regime instead. All this is because they fail to be objective in their assessment of our condition within the Nigerian space, that we can actually do much much better if we had autonomy to chart our own course in life. The truth is that, if the country is restructured along regional lines once again, it'll eventually lead to disintegration of Nigeria like it almost did the last time because regional identities would become more entrenched even more so than they are presently. That is why I'm willing to support that kind of restructuring. And it's the same reason why some are against it coz they know what it portends -- it'll almost like getting secession via the back-door. 100/100 Regionalism will be so strong ehhn! we will basically be seeing a West coast vs East coast kinda thing. |
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Post by Omo Oba of the Source on Aug 24, 2017 21:44:40 GMT
Egbon mi, it breaks the heart to see how Yoruba folks are one Nigeria proponents and failing to see how the Nigerian project has short-changed us has a people for decades. I fear a regional system or Yoruba state may fail or never come into fruition considering how lopsided the proportions are -- in favour of pro-Nigeria Yaribas. I agree, too many are not conscious and also, too many have allowed religion <Islam & Christianity> blind them to the richness of their own culture and how it can contribute towards creating a Yoruba oriented system. At least I think awon Baba Awo's set, despite being schooled abroad, were in tune with Yoruba culture and that influenced the socio political drive for the people oriented government of that day. Spot on. I think another problem/reason why a lot of Yorubas seem conflicted about their stand concerning 'One Nigeria' has to do with party politics and what I like to call the 'Buhari factor'. I have observed that a lot of our people still have their faces stuck in Buhari's butt, and therefore find it difficult to identify with pro-Yoruba independence positions. For such people, it would have probably been easier for them to reject 'One Nigeria' under a PDP/GEJ regime instead. All this is because they fail to be objective in their assessment of our condition within the Nigerian space, that we can actually do much much better if we had autonomy to chart our own course in life. The truth is that, if the country is restructured along regional lines once again, it'll eventually lead to disintegration of Nigeria like it almost did the last time because regional identities would become more entrenched even more so than they are presently. That is why I'm willing to support that kind of restructuring. And it's the same reason why some are against it coz they know what it portends -- it'll almost like getting secession via the back-door. Egbon mi, the part I emboldened is so true. Looking back, many were for restructuring and some for outright disintegration during Jonathan's time but I think it is rather the 'Osinbajo factor' and this is a type oh occurrence that cuts across board. That is regions being pro-naija when their 'son/daughter' is in power. Overall, no matter whatever opinions you my egbons attempt to peg the pro-naija madness to, I still think leading a pro-Yoruba front is a futile exercise and going on a campaign of enlightenment seems like a daunting task in itself. Awon unity beggars ti poju. |
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Aug 24, 2017 22:32:39 GMT
Spot on. I think another problem/reason why a lot of Yorubas seem conflicted about their stand concerning 'One Nigeria' has to do with party politics and what I like to call the 'Buhari factor'. I have observed that a lot of our people still have their faces stuck in Buhari's butt, and therefore find it difficult to identify with pro-Yoruba independence positions. For such people, it would have probably been easier for them to reject 'One Nigeria' under a PDP/GEJ regime instead. All this is because they fail to be objective in their assessment of our condition within the Nigerian space, that we can actually do much much better if we had autonomy to chart our own course in life. The truth is that, if the country is restructured along regional lines once again, it'll eventually lead to disintegration of Nigeria like it almost did the last time because regional identities would become more entrenched even more so than they are presently. That is why I'm willing to support that kind of restructuring. And it's the same reason why some are against it coz they know what it portends -- it'll almost like getting secession via the back-door. Egbon mi, the part I emboldened is so true. Looking back, many were for restructuring and some for outright disintegration during Jonathan's time but I think it is rather the 'Osinbajo factor' and this is a type oh occurrence  that cuts across board. That is regions being pro-naija when their 'son/daughter' is in power. Overall, no matter whatever opinions you my egbons attempt to peg the pro-naija madness to, I still think leading a pro-Yoruba front is a futile exercise and going on a campaign of enlightenment seems like a daunting task in itself. Awon unity beggars ti poju. You are correct. I know from personal experiences that more of our people are unity beggers than not. But let's hope that the current agitations from different quarters advocating for either secession or restructuring would bear some fruit, in spite of our people's seeming ambivalence. The calls for restructuring seem to be growing louder, even more so than for outright disintegration, and I think this is a deliberate strategy on the part of some of the advocates of restructuring, as they are well aware that secession or disintegration may be close to impossible to achieve outrightly under the currect structure when compared to restructuring, even though their end game/final objective may actually be disintegration. |
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Post by Honorebu on Aug 25, 2017 11:15:45 GMT
Folks, y'all need to watch this. He was sooo on point. Sorry to say, but the question that interviewer asked at the end was really stupid! Is she trying to say that people above a certain age forfeit their right to have an opinion? What is this curious Nigerian obsession with "youths" (most of whom are far from young) anyway? The thing weak me oh. You could tell he was pissed off by the nonsense she was saying. Ẹru ba Sharafa gan 😂😂 It was probably deliberate sha. Interviewers do that to let the person being interviewed see other POVs |
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Post by Omo Oba of the Source on Aug 25, 2017 11:55:34 GMT
Egbon mi, the part I emboldened is so true. Looking back, many were for restructuring and some for outright disintegration during Jonathan's time but I think it is rather the 'Osinbajo factor' and this is a type oh occurrence that cuts across board. That is regions being pro-naija when their 'son/daughter' is in power. Overall, no matter whatever opinions you my egbons attempt to peg the pro-naija madness to, I still think leading a pro-Yoruba front is a futile exercise and going on a campaign of enlightenment seems like a daunting task in itself. Awon unity beggars ti poju. You are correct. I know from personal experiences that more of our people are unity beggers than not. But let's hope that the current agitations from different quarters advocating for either secession or restructuring would bear some fruit, in spite of our people's seeming ambivalence. The calls for restructuring seem to be growing louder, even more so than for outright disintegration, and I think this is a deliberate strategy on the part of some of the advocates of restructuring, as they are well aware that secession or disintegration may be close to impossible to achieve outrightly under the currect structure when compared to restructuring, even though their end game/final objective may actually be disintegration. Not to be a pessimist but I should share my thoughts that I do not think the restructing will ever materialize. Why do I say this? Those who'd be on the losing side, the North that is, probably have the insight it may be a recipe for outright disintegration in the long haul and may never let it happen to forestall having them lose their grip on the Naija money venture that has sustained them for decades. The politics being played with the contextual meaning of 'restructuring' that appears to be a plot by the northers to muddle up the possibility of a uniform understanding of what type of restructing all regions want is enough to keep us going in a circle over what restructuring should be done. At maximum, if the pressure from the south becomes unbearable -- if our unity beggars can manage to take their faces out of abokis' buttcracks, they may settle for state level federalist restructuring rather than the regional which would have been the bomb. I do not see restructing happening, not with this census where the North has the highest population in both legislative chambers where matters related to and bordering on restructing are to be extensively debated and crafted into some sort of existence. |
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Aug 25, 2017 13:11:08 GMT
Not to be a pessimist but I should share my thoughts that I do not think the restructing will ever materialize. Why do I say this? Those who'd be on the losing side, the North that is, probably have the insight it may be a recipe for outright disintegration in the long haul and may never let it happen to forestall having them lose their grip on the Naija money venture that has sustained them for decades. The politics being played with the contextual meaning of 'restructuring' that appears to be a plot by the northers to muddle up the possibility of a uniform understanding of what type of restructing all regions want is enough to keep us going in a circle over what restructuring should be done. At maximum, if the pressure from the south becomes unbearable -- if our unity beggars can manage to take their faces out of abokis' buttcracks, they may settle for state level federalist restructuring rather than the regional which would have been the bomb. I do not see restructing happening, not with this census where the North has the highest population in both legislative chambers where matters related to and bordering on restructing are to be extensively debated and crafted into some sort of existence. I am afraid I have to agree with you coz you just echoed my fears concerning the current restructuring agitation. The National Assembly is not receptive to the whole restructuring argument (especially the Northern Senators and Reps) for obvious reasons. By now I think it's pretty much clear to all that secession won't fly under the current system unless the agitators are willing to re-enact a violent civil war and emerge victorious this time around -- the igbos tried that in the '60s and failed woefully, Boko Haram militants are doing similarly on a lower scale and are obviously no match for a determined federal government. The only set of folks that can force the hands of the FG/Northern establishment to the negotiations route/table are the Niger-Delta militants. And they've demonstrated that much in the recent past. But then again, they've also showed that they're susceptible to the North's divide-and-rule tactics. Truly, it'll be very difficult to get the Northerners to acquiesce to the South's agitations considering that they have more to lose (besides, they have enough willing collaborators down South to aid and abet them). Very difficult. But I'm still a bit hopeful. |
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Post by Omo Oba of the Source on Aug 25, 2017 16:35:27 GMT
Not to be a pessimist but I should share my thoughts that I do not think the restructuring will ever materialize. Why do I say this? Those who'd be on the losing side, the North that is, probably have the insight it may be a recipe for outright disintegration in the long haul and may never let it happen to forestall having them lose their grip on the Naija money venture that has sustained them for decades. The politics being played with the contextual meaning of 'restructuring' that appears to be a plot by the northerners to muddle up the possibility of a uniform understanding of what type of restructuring all regions want is enough to keep us going in a circle over what restructuring should be done. At maximum, if the pressure from the south becomes unbearable -- if our unity beggars can manage to take their faces out of abokis' buttcracks, they may settle for state level federalist restructuring rather than the regional which would have been the bomb. I do not see restructuring happening, not with this census where the North has the highest population in both legislative chambers where matters related to and bordering on restructuring are to be extensively debated and crafted into some sort of existence. I am afraid I have to agree with you coz you just echoed my fears concerning the current restructuring agitation. The National Assembly is not receptive to the whole restructuring argument (especially the Northern Senators and Reps) for obvious reasons. By now I think it's pretty much clear to all that secession won't fly under the current system unless the agitators are willing to re-enact a violent civil war and emerge victorious this time around -- the igbos tried that in the '60s and failed woefully, Boko Haram militants are doing similarly on a lower scale and are obviously no match for a determined federal government. The only set of folks that can force the hands of the FG/Northern establishment to the negotiations route/table are the Niger-Delta militants. And they've demonstrated that much in the recent past. But then again, they've also showed that they're susceptible to the North's divide-and-rule tactics. Truly, it'll be very difficult to get the Northerners to acquiesce to the South's agitations considering that they have more to lose (besides, they have enough willing collaborators down South to aid and abet them). Very difficult. But I'm still a bit hopeful. The emboldened is the exact problem and this crop of people seem to be mostly Yoruba. I still do not understand our undying love and penchant to play second fiddle to the north -- a region that is below the south west in human and other resources required to build and sustain a modern state. Without taking the armed struggle route, I think the regional restructuring might take place if people from the south west or say a larger percentage of the people in this part of the country exert so much pressure on the FG a la 'subsidy protest' and that doesn't seem likely. We presently feel like we're in government and taking our pound of flesh back from the Biafra people -- I truly pray that the Hausa and Igbo settle their differences and find a common ground to work together like in the 60s. I admire you for being hopeful but I am not. Nothing in this present dispensation gives hope in the slightest form, it is a total mess. North is playing the politics of economics - to amass wealth; west is playing the politics of gathering crumbs from the north and taking a pound of flesh from the east; while east on the other hand is playing a politics of emotions fighting battles on both fronts. None of the regions are interested in securing the future whatever generation is coming and the populace are neither interested in a government that works. Egbon, to give your hope a strong base, you may have to start convincing as many people from the south west to buy into the regionalism o. |
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Aug 28, 2017 9:41:01 GMT
I think I am just going to take a break from Nairaland for a couple of days coz I can't stomach the insane level of Buhari ass-kissing being propagated over there by some of our Yoruba folks. You hardly even see Northerners on Nairaland booking space on threads just to kiss-ass the way the likes of madridguy, sarrki, maclatunji, oladeebo, and the likes be doing. Is it 'afishe' or eye service taken too far or what?? They are not portraying our ethnicity properly there at all.
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Post by omohayek on Aug 28, 2017 10:57:33 GMT
I think I am just going to take a break from Nairaland for a couple of days coz I can't stomach the insane level of Buhari ass-kissing being propagated over there by some of our Yoruba folks. You hardly even see Northerners on Nairaland booking space on threads just to kiss-ass the way the likes of madridguy, sarrki, maclatunji, oladeebo, and the likes be doing. Is it 'afishe' or eye service taken too far or what?? They are not portraying our ethnicity properly there at all. Most of these clowns seem to be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Maybe they think they'll be awarded "honorary northerner" status if they kiss enough ass? As for a few like "oladeebo", let's just say that in better-run countries, they'd be getting the medical treatment they clearly require for their mental disturbances. |
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Aug 28, 2017 12:02:42 GMT
I think I am just going to take a break from Nairaland for a couple of days coz I can't stomach the insane level of Buhari ass-kissing being propagated over there by some of our Yoruba folks. You hardly even see Northerners on Nairaland booking space on threads just to kiss-ass the way the likes of madridguy, sarrki, maclatunji, oladeebo, and the likes be doing. Is it 'afishe' or eye service taken too far or what?? They are not portraying our ethnicity properly there at all. Most of these clowns seem to be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Maybe they think they'll be awarded "honorary northerner" status if they kiss enough ass? As for a few like "oladeebo", let's just say that in better-run countries, they'd be getting the medical treatment they clearly require for their mental disturbances. It's just too much bro. I am wondering if it's because Osinbajo is sharing the ticket with him or they just 'love' Buhari even more than his own people. I wonder what will now happen if he's replaced by a non-Yoruba VP candidate come 2019. They excuse every Buhari-related decision, whether good or bad, and are making us look like zombies with their behavior. It's just too bad. |
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Post by Honorebu on Aug 28, 2017 12:46:05 GMT
I think I am just going to take a break from Nairaland for a couple of days coz I can't stomach the insane level of Buhari ass-kissing being propagated over there by some of our Yoruba folks. You hardly even see Northerners on Nairaland booking space on threads just to kiss-ass the way the likes of madridguy, sarrki, maclatunji, oladeebo, and the likes be doing. Is it 'afishe' or eye service taken too far or what?? They are not portraying our ethnicity properly there at all. Most of these clowns seem to be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Maybe they think they'll be awarded "honorary northerner" status if they kiss enough ass? As for a few like "oladeebo", let's just say that in better-run countries, they'd be getting the medical treatment they clearly require for their mental disturbances. |
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Post by Honorebu on Aug 28, 2017 23:16:25 GMT
Categories of Yorubas and their positions regarding the restructuring or break up of Nigeria
Yorubas are divided into 4 categories as regard their position concerning Nigeria
1) THE HYPOCRITES: Mostly elites and APC sycophants. These are the people that only scream restructuring or break up when they are out of power. The list is long. We remember how some of these people used to attend DAWN commission meetings. Those in this category feel like anyone asking for restructuring or break up is doing so because PDP lost the election.
2) THE SOPHISTICATED: There are 4 groups under this category. Those in this category are the most vocal and the most populous
(i) SHORT-SIGHTED SOPHISTICATED- aka "My best friend is Ibo" - This one is pretty self-explanatory. They're the daftest of all
(ii) DYSFUNCTIONALLY SOPHISTICATED: Those in this category are used to mediocrity. They've been around that "dysfunctional" Nigerian setup their whole life. They are ready to settle for less. The idea of an independent Yoruba state doesn't sound exciting to them. It's kind of hard to blame those in this category because, like they say, you're a product of your environment
(iii) THE DOUBTFUL SOPHISTICATED: Those who feel like breaking up the country = starting from the scratch. Those in this category love making references to South Sudan. To them, any country that breaks up will most likely end up being another South Sudan/Eritrea. Their case is redeemable. They just need conviction.
(iv) WAZOBIA SOPHISTICATED: More like..."Wazombie" sophisticated. These ones just enjoy one Nigeria. They are in zombie mode. They aren't interested in alternative. It's not like they are benefiting anything from Nigeria. They just really don't have any clear reason why they want the country to remain one.
3) THE OBLIVIOUS: Those in this category don't even know what's going on and they don't care to know. They have more important things to deal with. Dem just wan chow. Heck! the country is hard already lol.
4) THE WELL INFORMED: These are people who want the country to break up cos they feel Nigeria has no future. They know things can't work with the way the country is currently setup. Most of the people in this category are people outside the country and there are some who reside in the country. They are well informed about how things are done in developed countries. They've seen how things are done in saner climes and they want the same for Yorubaland. They know Yorubaland can be better if left to be independent. They know the feeding bottle system is counter-productive. They know it's beyond APC/PDP
Her Highness omohayek Ogbeni Ogunnaike Short_Biscuit omoolowu AgbongboAkala Belmot ajanaku skebe
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Post by Her Highness on Aug 29, 2017 0:40:19 GMT
😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Aug 29, 2017 2:44:12 GMT
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