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Post by Shymmex on Dec 22, 2015 9:48:06 GMT
Interesting read. But it's quite obvious that this influence only influenced the Lagos Yorubas. Or was only temporary. i.e mud houses/ pan roofs all over Ibadan/Ekiti. Lmao @ the brown roofs in Ibadan.
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Post by Shymmex on Dec 22, 2015 9:52:19 GMT
Interesting read. However, I don't think the Brazilian influence went beyond Lagos, parts of Abeokuta, and I heard there are also a few houses in Ijebu Ode with Brazilian influence (TonySpike). But who influenced the Egba architecture? I'm guessing the missionaries did. Abeokuta
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Post by Honorebu on Dec 22, 2015 14:05:01 GMT
Honorebu , has got some wild fantasies sha, lol
Brazil has the highest number of black people outside the African continent, there are more than 2m Yorubas in Benin, so where is the space for all these people? I am more inclined to say that we strengthen our cultural, social and economic these groups.
As for those in Benin, where they are, has become their ancestral home. If anything, we should look to capture those areas to expand our territory if there is ever a Yoruba nation (I don't think there will be).
The hundreds of years of separation from these other groups has created a lot of cultural differences and it would not be as easy to re-integrate them.
Space dey! No fear They should all come back
Speaking of Yorubas in Benin, are we geographically connected?
And why don't think there will ever be a Yoruba nation
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Post by Her Highness on Dec 22, 2015 14:52:06 GMT
Honorebu , has got some wild fantasies sha, lol
Brazil has the highest number of black people outside the African continent, there are more than 2m Yorubas in Benin, so where is the space for all these people? I am more inclined to say that we strengthen our cultural, social and economic these groups.
As for those in Benin, where they are, has become their ancestral home. If anything, we should look to capture those areas to expand our territory if there is ever a Yoruba nation (I don't think there will be).
The hundreds of years of separation from these other groups has created a lot of cultural differences and it would not be as easy to re-integrate them.
Exactly my thought.
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Post by OmoOba on Dec 22, 2015 15:04:35 GMT
Honorebu , has got some wild fantasies sha, lol
Brazil has the highest number of black people outside the African continent, there are more than 2m Yorubas in Benin, so where is the space for all these people? I am more inclined to say that we strengthen our cultural, social and economic these groups.
As for those in Benin, where they are, has become their ancestral home. If anything, we should look to capture those areas to expand our territory if there is ever a Yoruba nation (I don't think there will be).
The hundreds of years of separation from these other groups has created a lot of cultural differences and it would not be as easy to re-integrate them.
Space dey! No fear They should all come back
Speaking of Yorubas in Benin, are we geographically connected?
And why don't think there will ever be a Yoruba nationWe don't have to be geographically connected after all the UK lays claim to the Falklands
I know Kwara borders Benin but not certain if it is the Yoruba speaking part. Lagos to Cotonou is less than 4 hours by road and that city has a large number of Yoruba people not sure if they are indigenous to it.
Regarding Yoruba nation, I only said so based on anecdotal evidence. I have broached the subject with a few people and everyone has said No to secession but want regionalism/true federalism.
The only way Yoruba people will accept an independent nation is if Nigeria disintegrates completely. Most people don't appear to be interested.
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Post by Honorebu on Dec 22, 2015 17:41:00 GMT
OmoOba ,Trying to study this map you know.Aareonakakanfo the CartographerYou know 3 of Oduduwa's sons founded empires in Benin republic Onipopo of Popo, Alaketu of Ketu and Onisabe of Sabe I believe Sabe-SavéKetu-Ketou Popo-PobeLooks like we're geographically connected.The border is what separates us
There are also Yorubas in Icha and Dassa.i can see Dassa somewhere in the map but I don't know where Icha is
and also, I don't think the Yorubas in benin are up to 2 million oooo.Kilode!
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Post by Honorebu on Dec 22, 2015 17:56:43 GMT
I never knew Yorubas were the majority in Porto Novo alongside Eguns until today even though I've been there once
The Yoruba name for Porto Novo is Ajase but I doubt we can reclaim these places
Porto Novo is the like the Abuja of the country
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Post by Honorebu on Dec 22, 2015 18:00:46 GMT
This is a mosque in Porto-Novo I can see some similarities between this mosque and the Brazilian-style one I posted earlier
Meeehn there's a lot to learn
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Post by Honorebu on Dec 22, 2015 18:11:42 GMT
Shymmex , we need your input to this topic
Mr Cicero
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Post by OmoOba on Dec 22, 2015 18:58:11 GMT
OmoOba ,Trying to study this map you know.Aareonakakanfo the CartographerYou know 3 of Oduduwa's sons founded empires in Benin republic Onipopo of Popo, Alaketu of Ketu and Onisabe of Sabe I believe Sabe-SavéKetu-Ketou Popo-PobeLooks like we're geographically connected.The border is what separates us There are also Yorubas in Icha and Dassa.i can see Dassa somewhere in the map but I don't know where Icha is and also, I don't think the Yorubas in benin are up to 2 million oooo.Kilode!
According to this Wikipedia page, there are 2.2m of them
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_people
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Post by OmoOba on Dec 22, 2015 18:59:38 GMT
I never knew Yorubas were the majority in Porto Novo alongside Eguns until today even though I've been there once
The Yoruba name for Porto Novo is Ajase but I doubt we can reclaim these places
Porto Novo is the like the Abuja of the country The Eguns are a sub-group of the Fon though, they are not Yoruba. The fon are the major ethnic group in Benin
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Post by Honorebu on Dec 22, 2015 19:13:15 GMT
OmoOba , According to what's on the page, Estimates vary roughly from 1.1 - 1.5 Million
I never said the Eguns were Yorubas
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Post by Shymmex on Dec 22, 2015 19:38:28 GMT
Shymmex , we need your input to this topic
Mr Cicero
Lmao @ Cicero. I'm just a student who's basically still trying to learn like you. Hopefully, as we progress, the real "ciceros" would join us on this platform. Anyway, the Porto Novo issue has always been a tad interesting to me and I remember we had a discussion on NL back in the day that Nigeria would have been at an advantage if it had opted for Porto Novo in lieu of Badagry, since the area is predominantly Yoruba - while Badagry is Egun. And the landscape is the same - save for the historical importance of Badagry for slave trade and the landmarks. But we can always point to the fact that the Eguns in Nigeria today have become Yorubanised and even the larger Fon ethnic group, which extends to modern day Ghana (the Ewes) have always laid claims to being part of the larger Yoruba commonwealth. Then we also have the Ga-adangbe in Ghana (the owners of Accra) who also claim Ife ancestry. Most Ghanaians see them as Nigerians or anago (the name Ghanaians call Yorubas). So if there's ever a Yoruba country - the ancestral connection westwards into West Africa proper would benefit us economically. Also, I think Ketu and Sabe extend to modern day Togo.
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Post by Honorebu on Dec 22, 2015 19:52:47 GMT
Shymmex , I did some brief research on the Ga-Adangbes and I didn't find any trace of Yoruba in them even on their websites, there's nowhere it's written that they have Ife ancestry
As per the Eguns,I don't think they're really cool with us.I read somewhere that they don't want to be part of Nigeria because they feel they have nothing in common with us
The Colonialists really messed up our geography bbig time.
I just saw something about Nupes attacking Yorubas in Kwara.smh
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Post by OmoOba on Dec 22, 2015 20:15:10 GMT
OmoOba , According to what's on the page, Estimates vary roughly from 1.1 - 1.5 Million
I never said the Eguns were Yorubas One figure has a cited source and the other does not. I chose to go with the one with a source.
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