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Post by Sesinu on Feb 1, 2016 17:25:28 GMT
I do not think Egun people have blamed Yoruba for anything so much the dying state of their language. Like other ethnic nationalities, they only called the attention of the government on the lack of Egun representation to the national conference. That to me os not a fight against the Yorubas.
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Post by Sesinu on Feb 1, 2016 17:30:12 GMT
They should integrate the language into the curriculum of the schools around that area
Also, I remember them complaining that they're being marginalized.They even came out to say they're not Yorubas that they want to join their kith and kin in Benin republic
If they feel that's the only way for them to reclaim their identity, why not let them go It is true the Egun people complained of marginalization, but it is not true they ever advocated to join their kith and kin in Benin republic
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Feb 1, 2016 23:30:19 GMT
They should integrate the language into the curriculum of the schools around that area
Also, I remember them complaining that they're being marginalized.They even came out to say they're not Yorubas that they want to join their kith and kin in Benin republic
If they feel that's the only way for them to reclaim their identity, why not let them go Did they actually come out to say they are not Yorubas? ...just wondering how a non-Yoruba tribe could find itself in Lagos and Ogun states. Ibo ni wọn ti wa gan?Who knows their history? Where did they migrate from? They migrated into the Badagry general area from Dahomey. Their language is a dialect of Fon-Gbe, which is the dominant language of Benin.
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Post by Segla on Feb 4, 2016 0:02:07 GMT
For those who claimed they are educated but refused to replace their closed minds with an open mind that education affords,they should be properly informed that there is no any homogeneous society anywhere in the world. Every society in world is heterogeneous;and there will always be majority and minority ethnic groups. The ethnic group that is of majority should not claim dominance neither should they try to lump up the minority as part of them. Because the minorities have their unique identities that must be protected and preserved . So,those who think the Nigerian Southwestern part is made up of only the Yorubas are getting it all wrong and have lost touch with reality all over the world.
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Feb 4, 2016 1:49:06 GMT
Why are these Eguns all commenting as guests though? Why don't you all register and then exchange ideas with us? Me I can't waste my time discussing with a guest that may not come back.
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Post by Honorebu on Feb 4, 2016 1:52:23 GMT
Why are these Eguns all commenting as guests though? Why don't you all register and then exchange ideas with us? Me I can't waste my time discussing with a guest that may not come back.
Lol you sef notice say I no reply
Ogagun segla, If you have more knowledge to pass to us, register and stop insulting us as a guest
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Post by sesinu on Feb 5, 2016 18:01:01 GMT
Why are these Eguns all commenting as guests though? Why don't you all register and then exchange ideas with us? Me I can't waste my time discussing with a guest that may not come back. Sorry guys. I did not know if you have any set procedure. I just ran into this thread and decided to comment. Now that I know that registration is required or advised, I have registered. I think there is a lot of misinformation about the Ogu people generally. A little is also reflected here, and that was why I commented earlier, before another guest, Segla did comment. I particularly like the title of the thread because it calls attention to an important issue - language extinction. The Ogu language is disappearing, and it should worry the Ogu people. It does worry me as one. But in discussing this, we need not misinform ourselves about the Ogu people. I will be glad to engage any of you guys constructively on our origin/language and place in Nigeria and beyond. Thanks
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Feb 5, 2016 18:12:33 GMT
Why are these Eguns all commenting as guests though? Why don't you all register and then exchange ideas with us? Me I can't waste my time discussing with a guest that may not come back. Sorry guys. I did not know if you have any set procedure. I just ran into this thread and decided to comment. Now that I know that registration is required or advised, I have registered. I think there is a lot of misinformation about the Ogu people generally. A little is also reflected here, and that was why I commented earlier, before another guest, Segla did comment. I particularly like the title of the thread because it calls attention to an important issue - language extinction. The Ogu language is disappearing, and it should worry the Ogu people. It does worry me as one. But in discussing this, we need not misinform ourselves about the Ogu people. I will be glad to engage any of you guys constructively on our origin/language and place in Nigeria and beyond. Thanks Thanks for registering. You are highly welcome. What is the situation of Egun in Porto Novo and environs? Is the language thriving over there? From that, we can begin to trace the actual root problems.
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Post by sesinu on Feb 5, 2016 18:30:16 GMT
Ogbeni Ogunnaike, Language identity in Benin republic is quite different from what we have in Nigeria. For example, Yorubas in Nigeria regards Ijebu, Ekiti, Ondo etc as simply Yoruba. It is the exact opposite in Benin. I have also wondered at what point the many dialects of Yoruba come to some consensus of all being Yoruba. That has not happened with the Eguns, generally speaking. That is why even the population of Egun vary widely depending on the yardstick used. If I will use the Yoruba format as in Nigeria, then I will say Ogu has been represented as a part, say like what Ijebus are to Yoruba. In Benin, Ogus are still identified as Toli, Ajara, Seto, Fon, (dominant majority), Ewe ('aganyin', majorly in Togo and Volta region of Ghana), Mina, etc. Anyone who speaks any of the dialects (of the listed group) will easily understand the others (picture Ekiti and Ijebu here). Based on this, only the dominant Fon (in Benin) and Ewe (pronounced Eve; in Togo and Ghana) are well developed. Cumulatively, the number of Ogu speakers are still very high. The minority dialects however face the threat of extinction in the far future. This same explanation applies to the Yoruba in Benin republic where the 2 Yoruba dialect - Eyo and Anago - are getting absorbed into the majority language speakers around them. Now, to Nigeria, Ogu is fast fading as a language because of the influence of the majority Yoruba speakers, and the need to speak English. Thanks
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Post by Omoluabi on Feb 6, 2016 8:58:06 GMT
Ogbeni Ogunnaike , Language identity in Benin republic is quite different from what we have in Nigeria. For example, Yorubas in Nigeria regards Ijebu, Ekiti, Ondo etc as simply Yoruba. It is the exact opposite in Benin. I have also wondered at what point the many dialects of Yoruba come to some consensus of all being Yoruba. That has not happened with the Eguns, generally speaking. That is why even the population of Egun vary widely depending on the yardstick used. If I will use the Yoruba format as in Nigeria, then I will say Ogu has been represented as a part, say like what Ijebus are to Yoruba. In Benin, Ogus are still identified as Toli, Ajara, Seto, Fon, (dominant majority), Ewe ('aganyin', majorly in Togo and Volta region of Ghana), Mina, etc. Anyone who speaks any of the dialects (of the listed group) will easily understand the others (picture Ekiti and Ijebu here). Based on this, only the dominant Fon (in Benin) and Ewe (pronounced Eve; in Togo and Ghana) are well developed. Cumulatively, the number of Ogu speakers are still very high. The minority dialects however face the threat of extinction in the far future. This same explanation applies to the Yoruba in Benin republic where the 2 Yoruba dialect - Eyo and Anago - are getting absorbed into the majority language speakers around them. Now, to Nigeria, Ogu is fast fading as a language because of the influence of the majority Yoruba speakers, and the need to speak English. Thanks Welcome sesinu, i'm very pleased you registered. You can see no one here wants Egun/Ogu to go extinct as a language. The fact that Ogbeni Ogunnaike a proud yoruba opened the thread for discussion should be enough to convince you. The truth however is that not many of us knew most of what you and segla (bro or sis,pls register) have said here. Even we are scared for our yoruba language so we have an idea no matter how little of what is making you sad. What do you think can be done to salvage the situation? As long as we remain in the same geographical location, our destinies are intertwined so we have no choice but to make the union work. Once again, you and the other Egun speaking South westerners who will join are most welcome
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Post by Mr Critics on May 7, 2024 5:49:58 GMT
I feel there is too much of sentiment here. Language shift is constant and many other languages will be affected as time goes. The truth remains that Ogu people are not Yorubas even though culture wise they share so many things and that is because of their affinity in the past. Linguistic wise, Ogu language is not a sub-dialect of Yoruba because there is no mutual intelligibility between the two languages. One's language is one's identity and when you lose your language you become a hybrid because you can'y separate a people's language from their culture. It is just the same way some Igbos would say they are not Igbo. Historically, it was only the Oyo people that were called Yorubas and the translation of the Bible into a standard Yoruba played a key role in uniting all other sister dialects such as Ilaje, Egba, and so on. I have read the phrase " the Yorubas and the Egbas" which signify a difference some years back. Back to Ogu language, I read the introduction from the moderator who think Ogu speakers are related to "bushness". I don't know where that language is from. As far I have seen it, only Yorubas insult the Ogus and even use Ogu language of which they have no understanding to insult the natives of it. Every human being deserves some respect, and I will say the same to Ogus. However, being a minority group is never a crime. The wars of the past and Balkanisation of Africa by the Colonial masters contributed really much to what we are living today. Yorubas are of a great Empire and could be a nation. The Ogus, Fon, Aja, Ewe, Mahi...etc, are sister languages that definitely underwent some changes due to migration. They were once a people, called the Aja.! So I think, for their pride and identity, the Ogus have the right to be willing to preserve their language which is their heritage. It is left if the government has the means and the political to help them in achieving their goal or not. And if they are part of the nation, it is necessary that equity reigns. Dear Yoruba family, thank you
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