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Post by oduabachanal on Feb 10, 2016 23:33:52 GMT
Omo Oba of the Source I saw your reply on NL concerning this topic and I thought it was brilliant. I still don't know why Alake responded Esogban. With the recent anti-Yoruba attitudes Edos have been displaying lately, I don't know why we need to entertain them and their armchair kings. oduabachanal / ajanaku / Belmot Your opinions? Recent ke? Edos have been like this for a long time. I discovered Edos hatred for Yoruba people way before Ibos own. Edos with yoruba names are the worst o, run from them. Their last omodo n oba wrote a book insulting the Yorubas years ago(before NL). This resulted to an online war between Yorubas and Edos. Even when he claimed edos gave Yoruba civilization, he wrote about how the Edos sent their spies to investigate on Ife people. In any other words, they came to steal from us. Funny thing is, they claim they gave us culture and everything, yet they are quick to claim Yoruba heritage. What sort of parent claims their children's name? Could this be the reason why they are eager to send their daughters to italy and live off their disgraced money. You will never find a Yoruba bearing bini names, but quite a number of edo folks have Yoruba names, including some of the Royals. You will never find a Yoruba practicing Bini Ifa, but a number of bini folks including their priest follow Yoruba Ifa. I challenged most of their giants years back.... including the pan africanist idiot who goes by the name Naiwu Osahon. The revisionist story lines they provide are geared to the advantage of the Yorubas. One claimed Eweka ruled Ife which they said Yorubas corrupted from Ufe. The same idiot went further to say Eweka spoke Yoruba language, even in Bini. Then you have the recent ones I've come across claiming that Yorubas stole and corrupted Orunmila from bini's ORONMILA. Orunmila is a Yoruba word with Orun as heaven. ORONMILA has no meaning in both bini and Yoruba language. So, who is corrupting what here? Their claims even go further to our terracotta. Binis claimed they taught us when history told us that they requested for our craftsmen. Mention the heads of the bini kings in Ife, they come up with different variation of stories. The sad thing about these leeches is that, they based their lies on the emphasis of "Oral History", which is the argument they use in claiming 'their' side of the story. The problem is, why they create different lies as facts, they end up patching their loopholes with more unscripted story lines and creating further series of edo's version of Yoruba history, thus pushing them to treating the supposed oral history thesis ,like a prostitute does with oral sex. I have heard at least 9 versions of Yoruba history according to Edo folks, the Ibo ones is 15 and still counting... The underlying lesson here is, while we Yorubas go on with our normal lives, there are people out there who use our success as a measurement to their own cultural prowess. So you will have an edo or Ibo who believe that, as long as I can beat a Yoruba, I'm good. This is why they are very happy when we are failing. Yorubas also encouraged this with our foolish sophistication. There are people who use us as some kind of yardstick in order to measure their greatness. Edos are also fund of defending Ibos too, and vice versa. There are Ibos who use edo versions of history to claim Lagos as a bini land but they are quick to fight themselves once the Edos claim the Ibos are part of the Bini empire. On this matter, I fault the Alake. He tried to diss Awujale but he ended up selling the Yorubas short. When Tinubu stated that he only respects two obas in Yorubaland, my first guess was Awujale. Also, binis can diss Yoruba monarchs and I won't fight back because unlike bini where they make sure they follow their cultural rites to the max, Alake has replaced the Isese folks with Prayer warriors. Alake is known for his disdain for the Isese folks, although he wears our crown and sits on an Isese throne. So yes! I've stopped washing my Yorubaness with any Oba's disgrace. They don't pay my bills.
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Post by Omo Oba of the Source on Feb 10, 2016 23:40:35 GMT
I swear, I do not know the source of Egba folks before they moved from Ibadan and no, Alake is different from Olowu. This outburst from Alake will make people dig up dirt or questions on his crown. Odede did not conquer his brothers; he didn't conquer Orangun, Onipopo, Alaketu, Owa Ilesa etc. What he did was, he built a strong army and conquered towns not headed by his siblings but his army made every other throne fall in line and played their parts. If we base the ranking on conquest then the Sango should tame seniority rather than Dada Ajaka. Or say, Derin Ologbenla should take eminence than Odede since he conquered and headed towns apart from Ife way after Oyo hand long collapsed. But Egbas never really had a king till they moved to Abeokuta in the 18th/19th century or so. So why should a throne as new as that even be discussed when it comes to ranking Yoruba kings? I understand the Owu angle and even there should be any vocal Egba king, it should be Olowu, no Alake. I think the colonial Brits were the ones who elevated the Alake, due to the fact that the Egbas accepted Christianity before everyone else and they were able to get military support and firearms from the missionaries - especially the Baptist Church. Alaketu and Olowu aren't Oranmiyan's siblings - Oranmiyan is Okanbi's son, while both Olowu and Alaketu came directly from Oduduwa. So if we start ranking based on Oduduwa's children, both Ketu and Olowu would've to be ranked higher than Oranmiyan and all his siblings. And where are we going to put all the groups that aren't linked to the Oduduwa dynasty? Everyone went through Ife but not everyone is linked to Oduduwa. Where would the Ijebu, Akure, Owo, Ekiti, Igbomina, Awori, Mahin et al fall? The whole Oduduwa line isn't all inclusive and it's always going to cause problems and if there should be any rankings (I don't think there's any need for it), it should be done based on influence, civilisation, and kingdom. You can argue that Oranmiyan never conquered them, but that doesn't negate the fact that we were all under Oyo and were tributaries. Also, you and I know that no Oyo person will never accept that the Ooni's throne is superior to Alaafin's. It's not something that's acceptable, especially for the simple fact that we all speak the Oyo dialect today and Oyo represents the pinnacle of Yoruba statehood. Ife represents Yoruba civilsation and Yoruba spirituality. And no Ijebu person will ever accept that any Yoruba throne is superior to the Ijebu throne, apart from maybe Oyo and Ife. The Alake basically just wanted to cause trouble for no reason. Bro, Yes, Egba never had a King and their throne should not be ranked. The Brits gave the throne some level of relevance like you rightly said sir. There was never Okanbi sir, this is a ruse. Oduduwa had many children and Oranmiyan was his last and Olowu's mother the first child and Oranmiyan's big sister. Yes, Alaketu comes before Oranmiyan but with Olowu being Oranmiyan's cousin I wonder where we'd fix him in this ranking but his mother started the kingdom and he had one of Oduduwa's crowns. Not everyone came through Ife and not everyone who came from Ife had royal ties. The 16 oduduwa sons are ranked first while others who were crowned by Ife (Ife Odan, Ifewara, Otutu, Ipetumodu, Ikire, Iwo etc), by Oyo (Ikoyi, Ede, Ijaiye etc) followed by those who derived their crowns from whatever. Ife was never under Oyo and was never a tributary, sir. Ever wondered why the saying 'Omode gbon, agba gbon ni afi da ile ife'? Oyo dialect is widely spoken by those of us born outside our hometowns, each town has its dialect going strong.
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Post by Omo Oba of the Source on Feb 10, 2016 23:43:44 GMT
Omo Oba of the SourceI saw your reply on NL concerning this topic and I thought it was brilliant. I still don't know why Alake responded Esogban. With the recent anti-Yoruba attitudes Edos have been displaying lately, I don't know why we need to entertain them and their armchair kings. oduabachanal / ajanaku / BelmotYour opinions? Thank you mami. The Bini are up to something and I think they do not want to live in the shadows of Yoruba anymore, they want to be seen as a distinct group and if they are to be classed with Yoruba, they want to be placed at the fore.
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Post by Her Highness on Feb 10, 2016 23:53:29 GMT
Omo Oba of the Source I saw your reply on NL concerning this topic and I thought it was brilliant. I still don't know why Alake responded Esogban. With the recent anti-Yoruba attitudes Edos have been displaying lately, I don't know why we need to entertain them and their armchair kings. oduabachanal / ajanaku / Belmot Your opinions? Thank you mami. The Bini are up to something and I think they do not want to live in the shadows of Yoruba anymore, they want to be seen as a distinct group and if they are to be classed with Yoruba, they want to be placed at the fore. Lol Bini with a population of -5%? Whatever. This is good. I don't want then in an Oduduwa country. @oga oduabachanal will reply you as soon as I get on my laptop.
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Post by Omo Oba of the Source on Feb 10, 2016 23:57:33 GMT
Thank you mami. The Bini are up to something and I think they do not want to live in the shadows of Yoruba anymore, they want to be seen as a distinct group and if they are to be classed with Yoruba, they want to be placed at the fore. Lol Bini with a population of -5%? Whatever. This is good. I don't want then in an Oduduwa country. @oga oduabachanal will reply you as soon as I get on my laptop. Lol the empire. I also do not want them grouped with us, we are better off at a distance.
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Post by Omo Oba of the Source on Feb 11, 2016 8:05:27 GMT
Omo Oba of the Source I saw your reply on NL concerning this topic and I thought it was brilliant. I still don't know why Alake responded Esogban. With the recent anti-Yoruba attitudes Edos have been displaying lately, I don't know why we need to entertain them and their armchair kings. oduabachanal / ajanaku / Belmot Your opinions? Recent ke? Edos have been like this for a long time. I discovered Edos hatred for Yoruba people way before Ibos own. Edos with yoruba names are the worst o, run from them. Their last omodo n oba wrote a book insulting the Yorubas years ago(before NL). This resulted to an online war between Yorubas and Edos. Even when he claimed edos gave Yoruba civilization, he wrote about how the Edos sent their spies to investigate on Ife people. In any other words, they came to steal from us. Funny thing is, they claim they gave us culture and everything, yet they are quick to claim Yoruba heritage. What sort of parent claims their children's name? Could this be the reason why they are eager to send their daughters to italy and live off their disgraced money. You will never find a Yoruba bearing bini names, but quite a number of edo folks have Yoruba names, including some of the Royals. You will never find a Yoruba practicing Bini Ifa, but a number of bini folks including their priest follow Yoruba Ifa. I challenged most of their giants years back.... including the pan africanist idiot who goes by the name Naiwu Osahon. The revisionist story lines they provide are geared to the advantage of the Yorubas. One claimed Eweka ruled Ife which they said Yorubas corrupted from Ufe. The same idiot went further to say Eweka spoke Yoruba language, even in Bini. Then you have the recent ones I've come across claiming that Yorubas stole and corrupted Orunmila from bini's ORONMILA. Orunmila is a Yoruba word with Orun as heaven. ORONMILA has no meaning in both bini and Yoruba language. So, who is corrupting what here? Their claims even go further to our terracotta. Binis claimed they taught us when history told us that they requested for our craftsmen. Mention the heads of the bini kings in Ife, they come up with different variation of stories. The sad thing about these leeches is that, they based their lies on the emphasis of "Oral History", which is the argument they use in claiming 'their' side of the story. The problem is, why they create different lies as facts, they end up patching their loopholes with more unscripted story lines and creating further series of edo's version of Yoruba history, thus pushing them to treating the supposed oral history thesis ,like a prostitute does with oral sex. I have heard at least 9 versions of Yoruba history according to Edo folks, the Ibo ones is 15 and still counting... The underlying lesson here is, while we Yorubas go on with our normal lives, there are people out there who use our success as a measurement to their own cultural prowess. So you will have an edo or Ibo who believe that, as long as I can beat a Yoruba, I'm good. This is why they are very happy when we are failing. Yorubas also encouraged this with our foolish sophistication. There are people who use us as some kind of yardstick in order to measure their greatness. Edos are also fund of defending Ibos too, and vice versa. There are Ibos who use edo versions of history to claim Lagos as a bini land but they are quick to fight themselves once the Edos claim the Ibos are part of the Bini empire. On this matter, I fault the Alake. He tried to diss Awujale but he ended up selling the Yorubas short. When Tinubu stated that he only respects two obas in Yorubaland, my first guess was Awujale. Also, binis can diss Yoruba monarchs and I won't fight back because unlike bini where they make sure they follow their cultural rites to the max, Alake has replaced the Isese folks with Prayer warriors. Alake is known for his disdain for the Isese folks, although he wears our crown and sits on an Isese throne. So yes! I've stopped washing my Yorubaness with any Oba's disgrace. They don't pay my bills. Very deep. The Bini are nothing but spin artists. They come off with history based on rendition of names and they are fond of laying irrelevant claims. Their version of history is the easiest to puncture. Even Egharevba, their foremost historian had to go a different route, lest his career becomes washed up. Just yesterday, I read that Ekhalederhen did not get to Ife but died at Ogheton. Just yesterday, I read that Oranmiyan and his son were rejected from ruling them and a loval Bini man filled the throne and not Eweka. Just yesterday, I read Yoruba arts weren't taught to Bini nor did it influence it (when images of these works, history and the whole workd says otherwise). As much as I fault Alake's outburst, I think this will set the platform for Yoruba to end this BS history entirely. I expect other kings or historians to speak up in coming days.
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Post by Shymmex on Feb 11, 2016 13:51:01 GMT
But Egbas never really had a king till they moved to Abeokuta in the 18th/19th century or so. So why should a throne as new as that even be discussed when it comes to ranking Yoruba kings? I understand the Owu angle and even there should be any vocal Egba king, it should be Olowu, no Alake. I think the colonial Brits were the ones who elevated the Alake, due to the fact that the Egbas accepted Christianity before everyone else and they were able to get military support and firearms from the missionaries - especially the Baptist Church. Alaketu and Olowu aren't Oranmiyan's siblings - Oranmiyan is Okanbi's son, while both Olowu and Alaketu came directly from Oduduwa. So if we start ranking based on Oduduwa's children, both Ketu and Olowu would've to be ranked higher than Oranmiyan and all his siblings. And where are we going to put all the groups that aren't linked to the Oduduwa dynasty? Everyone went through Ife but not everyone is linked to Oduduwa. Where would the Ijebu, Akure, Owo, Ekiti, Igbomina, Awori, Mahin et al fall? The whole Oduduwa line isn't all inclusive and it's always going to cause problems and if there should be any rankings (I don't think there's any need for it), it should be done based on influence, civilisation, and kingdom. You can argue that Oranmiyan never conquered them, but that doesn't negate the fact that we were all under Oyo and were tributaries. Also, you and I know that no Oyo person will never accept that the Ooni's throne is superior to Alaafin's. It's not something that's acceptable, especially for the simple fact that we all speak the Oyo dialect today and Oyo represents the pinnacle of Yoruba statehood. Ife represents Yoruba civilsation and Yoruba spirituality. And no Ijebu person will ever accept that any Yoruba throne is superior to the Ijebu throne, apart from maybe Oyo and Ife. The Alake basically just wanted to cause trouble for no reason. Bro, Yes, Egba never had a King and their throne should not be ranked. The Brits gave the throne some level of relevance like you rightly said sir. There was never Okanbi sir, this is a ruse. Oduduwa had many children and Oranmiyan was his last and Olowu's mother the first child and Oranmiyan's big sister. Yes, Alaketu comes before Oranmiyan but with Olowu being Oranmiyan's cousin I wonder where we'd fix him in this ranking but his mother started the kingdom and he had one of Oduduwa's crowns. Not everyone came through Ife and not everyone who came from Ife had royal ties. The 16 oduduwa sons are ranked first while others who were crowned by Ife (Ife Odan, Ifewara, Otutu, Ipetumodu, Ikire, Iwo etc), by Oyo (Ikoyi, Ede, Ijaiye etc) followed by those who derived their crowns from whatever. Ife was never under Oyo and was never a tributary, sir. Ever wondered why the saying 'Omode gbon, agba gbon ni afi da ile ife'? Oyo dialect is widely spoken by those of us born outside our hometowns, each town has its dialect going strong. Okay, if there was never an "Okanbi" and Oduduwa had many children - how come they keep feeding us the tale about his seven children? Even among the seven children, they never told us what happened to "Orunto" and what became of his legend. This is the reason why we need to stop using the Oduduwa story for hierarchy and the also the genesis of Yoruba history. Oduduwa is just one entity and the Yoruba commonwealth is bigger than Oduduwa. Also, the story of Oduduwa is too inconsistent for anyone to take it seriously. People from Ife believe he existed and he was a man. Other Yoruba believe he was a mythical figure that dropped from the sky. While Ketu believe he was a woman. We need to stick to one story. I never said Ife was a tributary to Oyo, my argument was about the other thrones occupied by Oranmiyan's siblings. Both Ife and Oyo existed independently, though Ife was never a powerful kingdom and was more of a sacred/spiritual place. However, that doesn't negate Oyo's influence all over Yorubaland. Whether we like it or not, the standard Yoruba is the Oyo dialect and that's the mutually intelligible language all Yoruba people speak.
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Post by Shymmex on Feb 11, 2016 14:36:47 GMT
Shymmex Mhen, see as Shymmex dissect the matter. Shymmex baba! You too much! Lol. I'm just trying to be like you.
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Post by Her Highness on Feb 11, 2016 16:57:00 GMT
Omo Oba of the Source I saw your reply on NL concerning this topic and I thought it was brilliant. I still don't know why Alake responded Esogban. With the recent anti-Yoruba attitudes Edos have been displaying lately, I don't know why we need to entertain them and their armchair kings. oduabachanal / ajanaku / Belmot Your opinions? Recent ke? Edos have been like this for a long time. I discovered Edos hatred for Yoruba people way before Ibos own. Edos with yoruba names are the worst o, run from them. Their last omodo n oba wrote a book insulting the Yorubas years ago(before NL). This resulted to an online war between Yorubas and Edos. Even when he claimed edos gave Yoruba civilization, he wrote about how the Edos sent their spies to investigate on Ife people. In any other words, they came to steal from us. Funny thing is, they claim they gave us culture and everything, yet they are quick to claim Yoruba heritage. What sort of parent claims their children's name? Could this be the reason why they are eager to send their daughters to italy and live off their disgraced money. You will never find a Yoruba bearing bini names, but quite a number of edo folks have Yoruba names, including some of the Royals. You will never find a Yoruba practicing Bini Ifa, but a number of bini folks including their priest follow Yoruba Ifa. I challenged most of their giants years back.... including the pan africanist idiot who goes by the name Naiwu Osahon. The revisionist story lines they provide are geared to the advantage of the Yorubas. One claimed Eweka ruled Ife which they said Yorubas corrupted from Ufe. The same idiot went further to say Eweka spoke Yoruba language, even in Bini. Then you have the recent ones I've come across claiming that Yorubas stole and corrupted Orunmila from bini's ORONMILA. Orunmila is a Yoruba word with Orun as heaven. ORONMILA has no meaning in both bini and Yoruba language. So, who is corrupting what here? Their claims even go further to our terracotta. Binis claimed they taught us when history told us that they requested for our craftsmen. Mention the heads of the bini kings in Ife, they come up with different variation of stories. The sad thing about these leeches is that, they based their lies on the emphasis of "Oral History", which is the argument they use in claiming 'their' side of the story. The problem is, why they create different lies as facts, they end up patching their loopholes with more unscripted story lines and creating further series of edo's version of Yoruba history, thus pushing them to treating the supposed oral history thesis ,like a prostitute does with oral sex. I have heard at least 9 versions of Yoruba history according to Edo folks, the Ibo ones is 15 and still counting... The underlying lesson here is, while we Yorubas go on with our normal lives, there are people out there who use our success as a measurement to their own cultural prowess. So you will have an edo or Ibo who believe that, as long as I can beat a Yoruba, I'm good. This is why they are very happy when we are failing. Yorubas also encouraged this with our foolish sophistication. There are people who use us as some kind of yardstick in order to measure their greatness. Edos are also fund of defending Ibos too, and vice versa. There are Ibos who use edo versions of history to claim Lagos as a bini land but they are quick to fight themselves once the Edos claim the Ibos are part of the Bini empire. On this matter, I fault the Alake. He tried to diss Awujale but he ended up selling the Yorubas short. When Tinubu stated that he only respects two obas in Yorubaland, my first guess was Awujale. Also, binis can diss Yoruba monarchs and I won't fight back because unlike bini where they make sure they follow their cultural rites to the max, Alake has replaced the Isese folks with Prayer warriors. Alake is known for his disdain for the Isese folks, although he wears our crown and sits on an Isese throne. So yes! I've stopped washing my Yorubaness with any Oba's disgrace. They don't pay my bills. Thanks for the thorough explanation. I really hope Naija breaks apart. Ibos don't want Edo, I hope Yorubas use common sense to deny these people if they dare to claim Oduduwa Republic. Egbon mi, what say you about Ooni bringing in Pastor to pray for him in his palace? I saw the thread on NL and I was like "which kain foolishness be this, nitori olorun?". Don't get me wrong, I love Edo's cultural attires mehn. But Yorubas need to stop taking disrespect from every angle; North/Fulanis, SS, SE. Before we know it, Kanuris too will be flexing.
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