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Post by olukumi on Mar 18, 2016 18:33:36 GMT
I still don't know why the guy isn't doing that afterall this is his last term. I know he has done well on the issue of ghost workers but like you said, that isn't enough.Per the emboldened,Isn't the state already in bankruptcy? Ekiti is just as bad because the wage bill is higher than the allocation In a way I get why he might hesitate. It must be like asking a parent to give permission to have their child's gangrenous leg amputated: you don't want to agree to have your offspring disfigured, but the refusal to do so will kill the child outright. Making the necessary decisions must be psychologically very difficult, but somebody needs to make clear to Aregbesola that if he doesn't do it, somebody else in Abuja will probably make far worse decisions on his and every other Osunite's behalf. You are looking at it from a rational perspective. Aregbesola would look at it from a political viewpoint. The debt the state has incurred are mostly from his pet projects and carry overs. So admitting his own failure by gutting and selling off the state is a non-starter. He will probably find every means to ride it out and leave the mess for the next administration. I pity the fool that wants to takeover this mess.
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Post by Omoluabi on Mar 18, 2016 18:46:48 GMT
Honorebu, why are you such a kill joy? I was hoping nobody will remember to bring the shame of my state here.... Maybe they should just auction the state to Otedola or Adenuga, pay off debts and we indigenes to choose new states of origin. I go choose my maternal state....Ogun. At least Igbo never begin call am 'no man's land' and Hausa never begin pursue us comot our houses there like they do lagosians. But on a serious note, was aregbe only supposed to spend all allocation on paying a group of people less than 5% of the population? Was he not supposed to spend on infrastructure and other things of value? Except Aregbe sacks the entire workforce, including himself, no reduction will be enough in the short term. Under the current system, Osun state can never be viable but if we practiced full federalism, Osun has enough resources to fend for itself. Who will take us back to regionalism? That's the only solution.
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Post by Honorebu on Mar 18, 2016 19:01:38 GMT
Honorebu , why are you such a kill joy? I was hoping nobody will remember to bring the shame of my state here.... Maybe they should just auction the state to Otedola or Adenuga, pay off debts and we indigenes to choose new states of origin. I go choose my maternal state....Ogun. At least Igbo never begin call am 'no man's land' and Hausa never begin pursue us comot our houses there like they do lagosians. But on a serious note, was aregbe only supposed to spend all allocation on paying a group of people less than 5% of the population? Was he not supposed to spend on infrastructure and other things of value? Except Aregbe sacks the entire workforce, including himself, no reduction will be enough in the short term. Under the current system, Osun state can never be viable but if we practiced full federalism, Osun has enough resources to fend for itself. Who will take us back to regionalism? That's the only solution. Hehehe me gaan dey save bar to buy the state . That's future investment Funny enough, he's actually spending on infrastructure but I believe there are 2 issues 1) The work-force is too large 2) He's just building/spending and not investing or generating money. While you're spending, you have to make sure you're making money As for regionalism, No be now.
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Post by Her Highness on Mar 18, 2016 20:04:18 GMT
^lmaooo at the gif
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Mar 18, 2016 22:17:36 GMT
That's the problem here and Osun can't generate enough IGR to feed itself I guess its because the state was the one that got the most bailout funds It's time for Aregbesola to bite the bullet and do what he should have done a long time ago: massively downsize the state's workforce, shut down all high-risk projects (e.g. his beloved airport), and sell off as many state-operated assets as possible. It's either that or the state will be forced into bankruptcy, at which point all control over what happens next will probably go to the FG. I think all that Aregbesola has managed to achieve through his unsustainable projects is to prove that ethnic sentiments aside, Osun and Ekiti have no business being states in the first place. If every state had to finance all of its operations from internal resources, even the 12 states of the Gowon era would probably be too many. I disagree. This is a problem of management and leadership, not one of whether Osun and Ekiti have businesses being states. If Osun and Ekiti had never been states, do you think Osogbo or Ado Ekiti would have experienced any semblance of development, they would have been backwater towns existing in the shadows of Ibadan and Akure respectively.... and even look at the Ibadan sef looking like one giant smashed earthen pot. The creation of Osun and Ekiti states have brought development closer to the people. You would be surprised the potential states like Osun have, with the right leadership...... Ilesha dey, Osogbo dey, Ede, Iwo, Ikirun, Ikire, Ile - Ife.... all large towns that could be performing *100 times what they are doing now. I refuse to believe a state that has almost the same number of people as Ondo state has "no business" being a state.
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Post by Merchantt on Mar 18, 2016 22:28:03 GMT
That's the problem here and Osun can't generate enough IGR to feed itself I guess its because the state was the one that got the most bailout funds It's time for Aregbesola to bite the bullet and do what he should have done a long time ago: massively downsize the state's workforce, shut down all high-risk projects (e.g. his beloved airport), and sell off as many state-operated assets as possible. It's either that or the state will be forced into bankruptcy, at which point all control over what happens next will probably go to the FG. I think all that Aregbesola has managed to achieve through his unsustainable projects is to prove that ethnic sentiments aside, Osun and Ekiti have no business being states in the first place. If every state had to finance all of its operations from internal resources, even the 12 states of the Gowon era would probably be too many. No Sir. The problem is not the creation of Osun State/State of Osun but mismanagement. AregbeUseless is a very poor manager. He doesn't have any business being in governance. He is the most clueless governor in the history of State of Osun(imagine that kain name, I dey laugh). OyinUseless had burrowed 18Bn as at when he handed over to AregbeUseless. As at when AregbeUseless cried that "I Can't Pay Salaries Anymore Because Banks Are Not Giving Me Loans Anymore", he had burrowed 114Bn. Imagine a poor state like Osun with a debt profile of about 140Bn? He ran Osun State down. He burrowed till Osun became a FAILED STATE. He embarked on so many inflated capital projects at the same time. When Osun guys at Budget Office were advising him against burrowing heavily to finance so many capital projects, he brought his own economic team from Lagos. He abandoned the Osun guys and worked with his Lagos Boys. Former Head of Service, Mr Adelegan(A Brilliant Osomaalo), narrated how everything occurred on a radio station about 2yrs ago, the problem was brewing then but ACN called PDP names. Today, we know whom the Saboteur is. Elder Adelegan said "we warned him but he insisted". Here is the result of his Many Inflated Abandoned Capital Projects. According to some nl boys...State of Osun should be sold on olx. Oro Buruku T'ohun T'erin. I dey laugh. We wouldn't be in this mess only if Omisore had not insisted on becoming the governor. Alhaji Isiaka Adeleke could have defeated AregbeUseless if he had won the PDP gubernatorial ticket. He was disgraced(beaten by the policemen attached to former Police Affair Minister who was nominated by Omisore) out of the venue of the primary election. He crossed to APC and AregbeUseless won. He eventually got the Senatorial ticket APC promised him. Today, Osun people are the loser. We wouldn't be in this mess if Adeleke had emerged victorious. People voted AregbeUseless just to spite OmiRascal. Today my people are regretting voting Clueless, Brainless, Saboteur, Ineptitude, Useless, Oloriburuku, Failure, Good-For-Nothing AregbeGoat aka AregbeUseless. It is going to take about 6years to clear the debt profile of about 140Bn at the rate of 2.1Bn per month. I regret not supporting Omisore. Osun State is finished.
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Post by Iya Niyen! on Mar 18, 2016 23:41:04 GMT
That's the problem here and Osun can't generate enough IGR to feed itself I guess its because the state was the one that got the most bailout funds It's time for Aregbesola to bite the bullet and do what he should have done a long time ago: massively downsize the state's workforce, shut down all high-risk projects (e.g. his beloved airport), and sell off as many state-operated assets as possible. It's either that or the state will be forced into bankruptcy, at which point all control over what happens next will probably go to the FG. I think all that Aregbesola has managed to achieve through his unsustainable projects is to prove that ethnic sentiments aside, Osun and Ekiti have no business being states in the first place. If every state had to finance all of its operations from internal resources, even the 12 states of the Gowon era would probably be too many. EoD... I disagree with you more often than not but on this,. NO DEBATE Same as Yobe, Jigawa, Kogi, in short all the states that weren't there pre IBB! The only reason Bayelsa isn't part of the list is cos of OYEL & it's not that the bayelsans on the street have any edge cos of that but at least they won't see Online trolls positing that their state be listed on EBAY or OLX.... BabaHafusa, Aregbe won't sack,what will he give as "severance"? That will even compound the problem!!! If I were him, i'd resign but pride &ego nor go gree YourExcellency, your gifs are gifts that keep on giving, E ku ise, Oluwa a so agbara d'otun. FrankLampiddo, Omisore would have turned Osun to Utopia ba? Issokay!!
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Post by omohayek on Mar 19, 2016 8:50:29 GMT
I disagree. This is a problem of management and leadership, not one of whether Osun and Ekiti have businesses being states. If Osun and Ekiti had never been states, do you think Osogbo or Ado Ekiti would have experienced any semblance of development, they would have been backwater towns existing in the shadows of Ibadan and Akure respectively.... and even look at the Ibadan sef looking like one giant smashed earthen pot. The creation of Osun and Ekiti states have brought development closer to the people. You would be surprised the potential states like Osun have, with the right leadership...... Ilesha dey, Osogbo dey, Ede, Iwo, Ikirun, Ikire, Ile - Ife.... all large towns that could be performing *100 times what they are doing now. I refuse to believe a state that has almost the same number of people as Ondo state has "no business" being a state. I strongly disagree with this. Taken to its logical conclusion, the only way to develop any part of a state would be to make it a new state in its own right, which is clearly not going to work. Given the right political incentives, the development you're talking about could just as easily have happened without new states being created - just look at how Ogun state governors like Osoba and Amosun have been careful to ensure their development initiatives have been spread across the state, to avoid stirring up needless Egba vs. Ijebu rivalry; Shagamu didn't need the creation of a new "Ijebu state" to become an industrial hub, nor did Ijebu Ode to get new higher-quality roads or flyovers. The problem with the creation of new states is that while it divides the working population of the former single state into two parts, it also leads to duplication of political and administrative roles at the same time. In other words, you chop your productive base in half while doubling your overhead: in business this would be called a disaster. The only reason this hasn't been previously obvious in the Nigerian context is because of the nonsensical federal allocation policy that keeps non-viable "states" on permanent life-support: if each new state had to support itself fully from its own internal resources, all the clamor for new states would die down forever. Currently new states get given massive initial federal allocations which are then supposed to be tapered off after a few years, so at first it appears as if state creation really is the key to development, but that trick only lasts as long as the extra support itself does. As justified as we may be in blaming Aregbesola for his profligacy, the truth is that if oil had stayed at $120 a barrel, he would currently be hailed as a "genius" and "visionary", when in truth it was merely the pecularities of the federal allocation policy which was enabling his reckless spending. To be totally honest, I don't believe we need more than a single Western Region as before 1966, and if it were up to me all of Lagos, Ogun, Oyo, Osun, Ondo and Ekiti would be re-merged, and their civil services simultaneously merged and downsized. The current structure is both massively wasteful and gets in the way of doing things that would bring prosperity across the entire region. For example, "federal" roads would no longer matter so much if "state" roads could cover the entire SW, while interior states like Osun and Ekiti would no longer be starved of investment by a lack of good rail access, as constructing modern, efficient railways from Lagos to Osogbo and Ado-Ekiti would be a purely state matter, outside of interference from Abuja. The current poor state of Ibadan which you lament is in large part because what was once formerly the hub of the Western region has been stripped of its former role by the endless subdivision into smaller states (the other main problem being the long tyranny of Lamidi Adedibu).
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Post by Honorebu on Mar 19, 2016 9:51:09 GMT
Hmmmn I get where both omoakin and omohayek are coming from
I no even know where i stand sef.
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Post by ajanaku on Mar 19, 2016 10:57:47 GMT
Ọrọ ipinlẹ Ọṣun ati Arẹgbẹ ti sun mi.
I viewed the "FAAC allocation for February" thread on NL yesterday and I felt really bad. See insults everywhere...especially from the flat-headed ones.
How did Osun state (a state with numerous intellectuals and professionals) end up with Arẹgbe? I blame Tinubu sha...
SMfuckin'H
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Post by olukumi on Mar 19, 2016 11:33:38 GMT
I disagree. This is a problem of management and leadership, not one of whether Osun and Ekiti have businesses being states. If Osun and Ekiti had never been states, do you think Osogbo or Ado Ekiti would have experienced any semblance of development, they would have been backwater towns existing in the shadows of Ibadan and Akure respectively.... and even look at the Ibadan sef looking like one giant smashed earthen pot. The creation of Osun and Ekiti states have brought development closer to the people. You would be surprised the potential states like Osun have, with the right leadership...... Ilesha dey, Osogbo dey, Ede, Iwo, Ikirun, Ikire, Ile - Ife.... all large towns that could be performing *100 times what they are doing now. I refuse to believe a state that has almost the same number of people as Ondo state has "no business" being a state. I strongly disagree with this. Taken to its logical conclusion, the only way to develop any part of a state would be to make it a new state in its own right, which is clearly not going to work. Given the right political incentives, the development you're talking about could just as easily have happened without new states being created - just look at how Ogun state governors like Osoba and Amosun have been careful to ensure their development initiatives have been spread across the state, to avoid stirring up needless Egba vs. Ijebu rivalry; Shagamu didn't need the creation of a new "Ijebu state" to become an industrial hub, nor did Ijebu Ode to get new higher-quality roads or flyovers. The problem with the creation of new states is that while it divides the working population of the former single state into two parts, it also leads to duplication of political and administrative roles at the same time. In other words, you chop your productive base in half while doubling your overhead: in business this would be called a disaster. The only reason this hasn't been previously obvious in the Nigerian context is because of the nonsensical federal allocation policy that keeps non-viable "states" on permanent life-support: if each new state had to support itself fully from its own internal resources, all the clamor for new states would die down forever. Currently new states get given massive initial federal allocations which are then supposed to be tapered off after a few years, so at first it appears as if state creation really is the key to development, but that trick only lasts as long as the extra support itself does. As justified as we may be in blaming Aregbesola for his profligacy, the truth is that if oil had stayed at $120 a barrel, he would currently be hailed as a "genius" and "visionary", when in truth it was merely the pecularities of the federal allocation policy which was enabling his reckless spending. To be totally honest, I don't believe we need more than a single Western Region as before 1966, and if it were up to me all of Lagos, Ogun, Oyo, Osun, Ondo and Ekiti would be re-merged, and their civil services simultaneously merged and downsized. The current structure is both massively wasteful and gets in the way of doing things that would bring prosperity across the entire region. For example, "federal" roads would no longer matter so much if "state" roads could cover the entire SW, while interior states like Osun and Ekiti would no longer be starved of investment by a lack of good rail access, as constructing modern, efficient railways from Lagos to Osogbo and Ado-Ekiti would be a purely state matter, outside of interference from Abuja. The current poor state of Ibadan which you lament is in large part because what was once formerly the hub of the Western region has been stripped of its former role by the endless subdivision into smaller states (the other main problem being the long tyranny of Lamidi Adedibu). What he said. Nigeria simply can't afford the unnecessary duplications across multiple states. It is extremely wasteful and no wonder most of our earnings have gone to service recurrent expenditure. State of Texas is roughly around the same as Nigeria and development is at the local county level. I'd love to see at a minimum Western state, Northern State and Eastern State. If need be I'd stretch it to South West, Mid West, North West, North East, North Central, South East and South South. And I'll make state headquarters rotate every 50 years.
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Post by colonial pikin on Mar 19, 2016 20:16:37 GMT
a more detailed breakdown here as published by the Office of the Accountant General.SW states have high figures in terms of ISPOs with the exception of Ogun being at 0 and Oyo own being below 100 million naira.
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Post by osoronga on Mar 20, 2016 7:49:57 GMT
Honorebu, Her Highness, colonial pikin, olukumi, omohayek, something troubles me about the ability of us Yoruba to turn on a dime against one of our own. We do it in every situation. Fashola and the inflated website bill situation is an example. If it is true that Aregbesola is clueless about managing the finances of Osun State, we should be looking at ways to lead him safely to shore and restore Osun finances, not calling for him to go to jail. We should be rallying round him, because while he may not be a financial genius he has several qualities that we all cheered for during the electioneering stages. He's not been completely useless, he has his virtues which may be hard to come by again in someone else. Nobody is perfect but Yoruba always looking for perfection from their heroes in a very imperfect Nigeria . Just my pained observation I'm not calling for him to be praised for bad spending, but talking of jail time etc feels extreme to me, and If we lead the call, of course other Nigerians will help us spread it. The same with other current politicians, they've brought us to where we are today which is a darn sight better than being under Jonathan. We can do our bit and build on that and do better than what they've laid as foundation instead of turning back and leading the Nigerian mob to savage what they've done so far. The environment is better for Yoruba to seize opportunities now, there are organisations like DAWN that have the 6 governors ears and they are open to proposals, ideas, critiques, etc Let's not waste it doing our usual thing of calling for Yoruba heads while 2019 rushes towards us. (Mild) rant over
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Post by Belmot on Mar 20, 2016 9:50:20 GMT
Osun ti wa di idakuda laarin awon ilu to wa nile kaaro ojire.
What a shame!
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Post by Merchantt on Mar 20, 2016 14:36:57 GMT
Osun ti wa di idakuda laarin awon ilu to wa nile kaaro ojire. What a shame! Bi a ma se ri ma niyen ooooooo He was advised by the Osun guys who had been running Osun for years before Aregbesola became governor. They told him Osun didn't have the money to fund many capital projects at the same time. What did he do? He abandoned them and brought his economic team from Lagos State. They burrowed till until Osun became credit unworthy. Then he said "I Can't Pay Salaries Anymore Because Banks Have Stopped Giving Me Loans". Truth is, Aregbesola is not fit to govern a state. He's a very poor manager. Now, Osun is owing about 140Billion Naira. Where are we going to get the money to clear the debt? It's going to take 5-6years to clear the debt. We are in trouble. We Don Enter Am. Solution.......... Osun State should be changed from the bastardised name called State of Osun to Osun State. I hate that name. FG should declare Osun State BANKRUPT/FAILED STATE and take over the State. That is the bitter truth. AregbeClueless should resign and return to his Refrigerator Job in Lagos. O Ti Sun Mi. I Pity The Populace esp Civil Servants.
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