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Post by Honorebu on May 28, 2016 11:23:34 GMT
Hello fam, It's obvious the power situation in Nigeria is getting worse by the day as a result of low gas supply I saw this tweet this morning about Ogun state industries having issues with power and it got me thinking We shouldn't let happenings in other regions destabilize our economy Are there any short-term solutions to this problem? What are the long-term solutions? What should SW states do at this point in time? omohayek Ogbeni Ogunnaike Short_Biscuit olukumi Her Highness Belmot ajanaku Omoluabi AgbongboAkala oduastates |
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Post by Her Highness on May 28, 2016 11:38:19 GMT
*sigh* Just too bad.
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Post by omohayek on May 28, 2016 11:42:25 GMT
I think at this point it's time to start planning with the assumption that the gas pipelines from the ND will never be functional - just write them out of the equation entirely. Even if Buhari does a 180 and starts to show a real interest in addressing the grievances of the militants, I am doubtful that he has the required competence to curb the threat in a lasting manner. After all, he hasn't really defeated Boko Haram, which is widely hated in the north-east, is opposed by all of Nigeria's neighbors as well as the Western countries, and doesn't have access to easy pressure-points like gas pipelines. Most countries in the world manage to generate electricity without having natural gas deposits, and there's no reason why power plants in our region should be forced to idle because of disgruntled militants in the delta; instead, why not run gas pipelines directly from the ports inland, so that it can be imported from wherever supply is cheapest? Solar power may not be price competitive with gas, but this Wikipedia survey indicates that the current levelized cost over the full lifetime of solar power plants has fallen to about just 50% more than gas-powered ones. As such, it may be a helpful complement to the power generated from using imported gas. |
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Post by Honorebu on May 28, 2016 11:55:15 GMT
I think at this point it's time to start planning with the assumption that the gas pipelines from the ND will never be functional - just write them out of the equation entirely. Even if Buhari does a 180 and starts to show a real interest in addressing the grievances of the militants, I am doubtful that he has the required competence to curb the threat in a lasting manner. After all, he hasn't really defeated Boko Haram, which is widely hated in the north-east, is opposed by all of Nigeria's neighbors as well as the Western countries, and doesn't have access to easy pressure-points like gas pipelines. Most countries in the world manage to generate electricity without having natural gas deposits, and there's no reason why power plants in our region should be forced to idle because of disgruntled militants in the delta; instead, why not run gas pipelines directly from the ports inland, so that it can be imported from wherever supply is cheapest? Solar power may not be price competitive with gas, but this Wikipedia survey indicates that the current levelized cost over the full lifetime of solar power plants has fallen to about just 50% more than gas-powered ones. As such, it may be a helpful complement to the power generated from using imported gas. I agree with you 100% on we taking our eyes off Niger-delta gas Why don't we even import infrastructure needed to capture the gas produced with the oil in Ondo and Lagos. I think it's called associated gas. The only problem might be whether it will be enough Also, it seems Lagos even has more natural gas than oil www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2016/05/05/with-huge-gas-reserves-of-650bcf-lagos-joins-oil-producing-states/ |
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Post by Honorebu on May 28, 2016 12:11:28 GMT
A PPP will go a long way in solving our power problems
But then again, it's like our ideas and everything going on in our minds
is completely the opposite of what SW governors are thinking
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Post by Short_Biscuit on May 28, 2016 12:24:20 GMT
A user that goes by the handle 989900 put up a post that I think is a pointer to the possible solution to the problem for the SW (Title of the thread was Lagos and Ondo states Gas Reserves and NEPA). Here's his submission in quotes (emphasis on the bolded):
What those affected factories at Ogun are experiencing was bound to happen at some point, and somehow I'm happy it's happening now because the SW region needs to seriously start to map out energy self-sufficiency strategies if we're truly serious about industrialization. That's just the truth. The moment of truth has arrived. We need to take our destinies in our own hands, now or never.
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Post by Honorebu on May 28, 2016 12:32:32 GMT
Short_Biscuit , thanks for that info But eeerm I don't feel we should go into any partnership with the FG else we'll just be wasting our time We should be able to do this ourselves. These are the issues SW governors should be discussing in DAWN meetings
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Post by Short_Biscuit on May 28, 2016 12:37:19 GMT
Short_Biscuit , thanks for that info But eeerm I don't feel we should go into any partnership with the FG else we'll just be wasting our time We should be able to do this ourselves. These are the issues SW governors should be discussing in DAWN meetings I'm with you on that BUT can that be done without FG involvement, considering the current system we operate?? Unless the system changes or the country disintegrates, we're in some serious deep sheet, coz the Northerners deliberately structured the country in such a way that if one region suffers due to their own inefficiency or laziness (or militancy, as the case may be), the rest of us must suffer along with them all in the name of 'One Nigeria'. I consider that as MADNESS!!! Pure and Simple. |
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Post by Honorebu on May 28, 2016 12:48:00 GMT
Short_Biscuit , thanks for that info But eeerm I don't feel we should go into any partnership with the FG else we'll just be wasting our time We should be able to do this ourselves. These are the issues SW governors should be discussing in DAWN meetings I'm with you on that BUT can that be done without FG involvement, considering the current system we operate?? Unless the system changes or the country disintegrates, we're in some serious deep sheet, coz the Northerners deliberately structured the country in such a way that if one region suffers due to their own inefficiency or laziness (or militancy, as the case may be), the rest of us must suffer along with them all in the name of 'One Nigeria'. I consider that as MADNESS!!! Pure and Simple. Hmmnnn na wa oooh but eerm don't states build IPPs without FG influence? Remember Ondo built Omotosho power plant without FG influence I don't even understand sef |
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Post by Short_Biscuit on May 28, 2016 13:22:51 GMT
I'm with you on that BUT can that be done without FG involvement, considering the current system we operate?? Unless the system changes or the country disintegrates, we're in some serious deep sheet, coz the Northerners deliberately structured the country in such a way that if one region suffers due to their own inefficiency or laziness (or militancy, as the case may be), the rest of us must suffer along with them all in the name of 'One Nigeria'. I consider that as MADNESS!!! Pure and Simple. Hmmnnn na wa oooh but eerm don't states build IPPs without FG influence? Remember Ondo built Omotosho power plant without FG influence I don't even understand sef Bro, it's not just about building the plant coz if that were the case, Lagos state will be self-sufficient energy-wise coz it's plants have the capacity to generate more than enough to meet the states needs. But transmission is still the FG's responsibility -- whatever amount of electricity a state generates is pumped into the useless, outdated and inefficient National grid for re-distribution to other states that may have refused to invest in building power plants. There is a cap on the amount of electricity that a state can generate (which is quite a small amount) of which the excess above that cap must be sent to that grid. I think special concessions were made to industrial areas to enable them meet their energy needs, however, even they depend on gas from the ND. Tinubu invested heavily on the Lagos IPP which Lagos isn't really benefiting from. The moment the Northerners get wind of the SW, or any other region for that matter, trying to decouple themselves from the rest of the country energy-wise, na to create bottlenecks and frustrate such effort. They are very selfish and myopic, I tell you. In the Sharia-practicing North they have out rightly banned the sale of alcohol and beer, yet they have no problem with sharing from the VAT and tax proceeds from same which emanate from the South. See wetin I mean? Very anti-progress bunch. |
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Post by olukumi on May 28, 2016 13:33:10 GMT
Short term and Immediate term solution (1-12 months) - Rent a nuclear power barge (ships with nuclear power). Those things are getting g decommissioned while we urgently need them.
Intermediate solution (6-36 months) - Build solar power stations across areas with more sunlight hours per day.
Medium to long term solution (36 months to 84 months) - Harness gas resources in the SW
All these are possible provided no litigation is filed against each move.
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Post by Honorebu on May 28, 2016 14:00:29 GMT
Hmmnnn na wa oooh but eerm don't states build IPPs without FG influence? Remember Ondo built Omotosho power plant without FG influence I don't even understand sef Bro, it's not just about building the plant coz if that were the case, Lagos state will be self-sufficient energy-wise coz it's plants have the capacity to generate more than enough to meet the states needs. But transmission is still the FG's responsibility -- whatever amount of electricity a state generates is pumped into the useless, outdated and inefficient National grid for re-distribution to other states that may have refused to invest in building power plants. There is a cap on the amount of electricity that a state can generate (which is quite a small amount) of which the excess above that cap must be sent to that grid. I think special concessions were made to industrial areas to enable them meet their energy needs, however, even they depend on gas from the ND. Tinubu invested heavily on the Lagos IPP which Lagos isn't really benefiting from. The moment the Northerners get wind of the SW, or any other region for that matter, trying to decouple themselves from the rest of the country energy-wise, na to create bottlenecks and frustrate such effort. They are very selfish and myopic, I tell you. In the Sharia-practicing North they have out rightly banned the sale of alcohol and beer, yet they have no problem with sharing from the VAT and tax proceeds from same which emanate from the South. See wetin I mean? Very anti-progress bunch. So basically, the whole pipeline politics is an FG thing Those gibbons are the reason why the country is messed up. All the poor stats na because of them because they don't cosign any move that will move the country forward.That's why the confab report hasn't been looked into Any attempt by the South to challenge them is quickly crushed. That's why I don't care about whatever is happening in the ND I'm just watching everything from the sidelines They protect their own interests. The funny thing is, that region can survive without the so-called oil they have their eyes fixated on. Anyway, make we no go off-topic |
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Post by Short_Biscuit on May 28, 2016 14:16:05 GMT
Bro, it's not just about building the plant coz if that were the case, Lagos state will be self-sufficient energy-wise coz it's plants have the capacity to generate more than enough to meet the states needs. But transmission is still the FG's responsibility -- whatever amount of electricity a state generates is pumped into the useless, outdated and inefficient National grid for re-distribution to other states that may have refused to invest in building power plants. There is a cap on the amount of electricity that a state can generate (which is quite a small amount) of which the excess above that cap must be sent to that grid. I think special concessions were made to industrial areas to enable them meet their energy needs, however, even they depend on gas from the ND. Tinubu invested heavily on the Lagos IPP which Lagos isn't really benefiting from. The moment the Northerners get wind of the SW, or any other region for that matter, trying to decouple themselves from the rest of the country energy-wise, na to create bottlenecks and frustrate such effort. They are very selfish and myopic, I tell you. In the Sharia-practicing North they have out rightly banned the sale of alcohol and beer, yet they have no problem with sharing from the VAT and tax proceeds from same which emanate from the South. See wetin I mean? Very anti-progress bunch. So basically, the whole pipeline politics is an FG thing Those gibbons are the reason why the country is messed up. All the poor stats na because of them because they don't cosign any move that will move the country forward.That's why the confab report hasn't been looked into Any attempt by the South to challenge them is quickly crushed. That's why I don't care about whatever is happening in the ND I'm just watching everything from the sidelines They protect their own interests. The funny thing is, that region can survive without the so-called oil they have their eyes fixated on. Anyway, make we no go off-topic Yes bro. Even Ondo state presently has the capacity on its own to generate more than enough electricity to power Ondo and Ekiti, but those state barely have 'light' these days sef. Me I even like what is happening sef, to be honest with you. Things just can't continue the way they are, honestly. If this current ND insurgency will bring down the current system, then I'm all for it. Na only serious crises fit bring true and lasting 'Change' in Nigeria. I am not expecting much progress from DAWN because the Northerners have never hidden their disdain for the whole idea of SW autonomy/integration that DAWN propagates -- the following news report is a pointer to this attitude: www.vanguardngr.com/2012/09/north-tackles-yoruba-leaders-on-autonomy/And with our APC governors in 'alliance' with them, I don't see them trying to 'offend' their Northern 'partners' by publicly aligning with any DAWN ideas and initiatives. |
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Post by Honorebu on May 28, 2016 14:30:09 GMT
So basically, the whole pipeline politics is an FG thing Those gibbons are the reason why the country is messed up. All the poor stats na because of them because they don't cosign any move that will move the country forward.That's why the confab report hasn't been looked into Any attempt by the South to challenge them is quickly crushed. That's why I don't care about whatever is happening in the ND I'm just watching everything from the sidelines They protect their own interests. The funny thing is, that region can survive without the so-called oil they have their eyes fixated on. Anyway, make we no go off-topic Yes bro. Even Ondo state presently has the capacity on its own to generate more than enough electricity to power Ondo and Ekiti presently, but those state barely have electricity sef. Me I even like what is happening sef, to be honest with you. Things just can't continue the way they are, honestly. If this current ND insurgency will bring down the current system, then I'm all for it. Na only serious crises fit bring true and lasting 'Change' in Nigeria. I am not expecting much progress from DAWN because the Northerners have never hidden their disdain for the whole idea of SW autonomy/integration that DAWN propagates -- the following news report is a pointer to this attitude: www.vanguardngr.com/2012/09/north-tackles-yoruba-leaders-on-autonomy/And with our APC governors in 'alliance' with them, I don't see them trying to 'offend' their Northern 'partners' by publicly aligning with any DAWN ideas and initiatives.  I get you 100%. Seems violence is the only way to restructure or balkanize the country Diplomacy will never work. Meanwhile I love the silence of the SW in the whole thing We be like...   When the oil sector is finally crippled, it will be interesting to see what happens next |
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Post by Omoluabi on May 28, 2016 21:21:18 GMT
Hello fam, It's obvious the power situation in Nigeria is getting worse by the day as a result of low gas supply I saw this tweet this morning about Ogun state industries having issues with power and it got me thinking We shouldn't let happenings in other regions destabilize our economy Are there any short-term solutions to this problem? What are the long-term solutions? What should SW states do at this point in time? omohayek Ogbeni Ogunnaike Short_Biscuit olukumi Her Highness Belmot ajanaku Omoluabi AgbongboAkala oduastates We Yoruba and our political leaders need to stop fooling ourselves. THERE WILL NEVER BE PEACE IN THE NIGER DELTA!!! The avengers you see today are primarily Ijaw who are angry the dominance and free money of the GEJ era are gone. If Buhari settles with them, you can bet it that the Isoko & Urhobo will start theirs next. I saw olukumi mull the idea of nuclear barges as short term solution but i don't know how possible that is relative to our laws. I agree with the idea of buying gas from other gas producing countries to feed the plants in the SW. If we can be importing PMS and bitumen, why can't we import gas feed too? This we do until such a time when we can properly and comfortably harness the oil and gas potentials in the SW. The way it's going, Dangote refinery might need to rely on imported crude when they start operation. Those industries suffering power outages will put pressure on the diesel supply in the country leading to an increase in price or even a scarcity but i guess no other way for now. This is what happens when your crippled roommate decides to take a laxative. His disability becomes your problem. |
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