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Post by Her Highness on Jul 27, 2016 3:37:21 GMT
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Post by Her Highness on Jul 27, 2016 3:40:16 GMT
Personally, I think foreign religion is a joke. Ooni serving God is a joke and a utter disrespect to the Yoruba traditional view of spirituality.
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Jul 27, 2016 5:51:59 GMT
I am irreligious and believe it is all bullshit. But If I was in a position to determine the spirituality of my people, it would be a reformed version of the Traditional Yoruba Orisha religion.
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Jul 27, 2016 7:44:50 GMT
Personally, I'm one of those that see organized religion as partly a scam and partly borne out of man's desperate effort to explain away his fears concerning his origins and the afterlife. And when it comes to the two dominant religions of 'Christianism' and 'Islamism', I have come to realize that both religions are no more valid than every other 'ism' out there -- as in, both abrahamaic religions are just as steeped in myths and legends as the others, so much so that even the Catholic Church which touts itself as the pre-eminent christian organization is on record for having come out to say that much of the christian bible is based on myths and legends. For social expediency, I consider myself a 'christian' (I once came very close to becoming a 'Pastor' actually [lol], until I disproved the much-touted 'Religious Exclusivism' of the christian religion relative to the others). I personally believe in an all powerful Creator who brought man and matter into existence and made man a free moral agent. Beyond that, I think it's quite obvious to any rational mind that this Creator has largely chosen to hide himself from his creation (for whatever reason) and left them to their own devises, which is basically the reason why man has felt the nagging need to devise several religious systems to explain his origins and after-life. The most progressive and developed parts of the world are not as religious as we Africans for example -- lesser and lesser Europeans and Americans consider themselves to be religious these days sef. Whereas Nigerians and Arabs are busy killing themselves over which brand of their 'ism' is more pure and true than the rest. I consider religious fanatics and extremists as unfortunate brainwashed and misguided beings who are oblivious to the grand scam they're wasting their lives over.
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Post by omohayek on Jul 27, 2016 10:47:32 GMT
As far as I'm concerned, we have only one chance at life, and when it's over, that's it - there's no "heaven", no "hell", no nothing, just the end of existence, forever. With that in mind, I'm not going to waste any of this precious life in the service of fanaticism of any kind, religious or otherwise.
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Post by Merchantt on Jul 27, 2016 11:04:23 GMT
I salute Yorubanger, he nailed it.
I am a christian, I believe there is God up there, I also believe he's done his job by creating and giving us choice. A sane man should be able to decide for himself.
I was raised as a christian but when I grew up, out of curiousity, I began to ask questions.
Why would God promised to give a land that belonged to the Philistines to Israelis?
Why would he choose Israelis as his chosen people when he's the same God that created us all?
Why did he choose Isaac ahead of Ishmael?
Why did he choose Jacob ahead of Esau? He even knew Esau was going to F before the dude fucked up.
Why did he harden Pharaoh's mind even when the King had allowed Israelis to go?
Why did he ask Joshua and the rest thugs to be killing and exterminating Phillistines, their Kings and forcefully take over their land?
Why forcefuly take over peoples' land when he could have given them land elsewhere? Are Phillistines not human beings? Why did he create them to become servitudes to Israelis?
I studied Bible but couldn't get all the answers I needed, that led me to study more about christian religion. I bought various books written by christian authors and later those written by muslim authors. Then I became confused. I almost became a Muslim till I read "Unveil Islam written by Turk Brothers" and "Who's this Allah". Then I realized, both religions are scams.
Now, I just attend church service whenever I feel like attending(say twice or thrice in a month). I now use my "Common Sense" to think and decide for myself. No Pastor will tell me how to live my life, not even the Holy Bible. Yeah, some verses written in Bible are in conflict with our Yoruba Culture and Tradition.
Now, I believe in Live and Let Others Live.
Worship whatever God favours you.
Follow your mind, use your common sense to decide for yourself.
Respect other peoples' opinion and religion.
Respect our Yoruba Culture and Tradition.
Aye yi o le, just make sure you use your head to decide for yourself and do the right thing.
Lobatan.
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Post by ajanaku on Jul 27, 2016 13:31:05 GMT
I'm an Atheist and a very proud one at that.
There ain't no God! I know that for sure. I know it's the end of me the moment I breathe my last. There ain't no Heaven nor hell.
And even if both places exist, trust me, I'll prefer hell. I'd meet some cool Niggers there. Tupac, Christopher Wallace, Nate Dogg, Fela, Bob Marley, Lucky Dube, Tai Solarin, et al...and there ain't gonna be shortage of weed and bitches. I can also imagine how boring heaven's gonna be...No Play station 4, no chess, no having my dick sucked!
One of the problems I have with this problematic, "Gawd-forsaken" country is the non-recognition of Atheists like me. When filling corporate and government forms, under the section for religion, you'll see only Christianity and Islam, no spaces for African traditional Religion and Atheism. Bunch of hypocrites.
I remember going for a job interview in one of the oil multinationals here in Lagos about 3 years ago and the CFO asked me for my religion. I never expected such a question. I wonder wetin concern my religious beliefs and the job wey I dey find.
Omor, I must confess, my liver fail me o. The CFO being a Yoruba man, I knew he'd either be a christian or a muslim. I told him I was not just a christian but a very good christian. He asked for my denomination, I said RCCG. He asked if I held any position in church, I told him I'm an usher...For my mind I just dey vex, dey para like who dem swear for...Emi, Usher? Wetin come vex me for everything be say I no come get the job at the end of the day, meanwhile, I don trade my soul and honour out...too bad!
I would have been proud to tell the interviewer I'm an Atheist if I were to be in Europe or North America...
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Post by omohayek on Jul 27, 2016 14:00:58 GMT
Lots of good comments on here! I think the long and short of it is that Africa (and in particular, our own corner of it) is suffering from too much religion. We have an obsession with religion which is insane, especially when one considers that the religions we are most obsessed with are actually in decline amongst the white people who brought them to us. It's no accident that the parts of the USA which are least religious are the wealthiest and best educated, while the Bible Belt has the lowest high school completion rate, the highest rate of teen pregnancy, the highest murder rate, etc.
I wonder why all those Nigerians who devote so much time and money to "Pastor Lagbaja" and "Alfa Kinikan" never bother to ask why the only people all these self-styled "holy men" seem to help are themselves. We would be far better off as a continent if we were to put half the energy we currently waste on religion into applying truly useful subjects like science, economics and engineering.
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Jul 27, 2016 14:50:01 GMT
Great comments from everyone... lol The more enlightened you get in life, and the more you are able to bring yourself to do some critical thinking, the more you begin to unroot the entire farce that religion is. No wonder countries like Nigeria and most others in the "third world" are extremely religious..... 99% of the people there are brainwashed zombies.
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Post by ajanaku on Jul 27, 2016 15:14:31 GMT
I personally believe in an all powerful Creator who brought man and matter into existence and made man a free moral agent. Beyond that, I think it's quite obvious to any rational mind that this Creator has largely chosen to hide himself from his creation (for whatever reason) and left them to their own devises, which is basically the reason why man has felt the nagging need to devise several religious systems to explain his origins and after-life. Egbon Yorubanger, so you actually believe one "powerful being" woke up many years ago and decided to create the heavens and the earth, to create unicellular organisms like amoeba and large mammals like the blue whale? Where the "God" come from? Who born am? Where him dey before him wake up say him wan create the universe? Don't you think a "being" capable of creating a complex and gargantuan universe like ours can only be imagined? I think I'll rather go with the belief of most scientists, the big bang theory.
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Post by ajanaku on Jul 27, 2016 15:17:27 GMT
Merchantt , so far, na only you agree say one "God" dey up there. I think you need to repent.
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Post by olukumi on Jul 27, 2016 16:14:23 GMT
I am a Christian simply because I subscribe to the philosophy Jesus Christ stood for. Which is simply love your neighbors like you love yourself. Treat others the way you want to be treated. But count me out when it comes to the infallibility of the bible with all the myths (especially in the old testament) and dogmas.
I believe there is an intelligent design to what we observe all around us and we have a purpose in life.
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Post by olukumi on Jul 27, 2016 16:15:01 GMT
Merchantt , so far, na only you agree say one "God" dey up there. I think you need to repent. Ape meji o
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Jul 27, 2016 16:22:35 GMT
I personally believe in an all powerful Creator who brought man and matter into existence and made man a free moral agent. Beyond that, I think it's quite obvious to any rational mind that this Creator has largely chosen to hide himself from his creation (for whatever reason) and left them to their own devises, which is basically the reason why man has felt the nagging need to devise several religious systems to explain his origins and after-life. Egbon Yorubanger, so you actually believe one "powerful being" woke up many years ago and decided to create the heavens and the earth, to create unicellular organisms like amoeba and large mammals like the blue whale? Where the "God" come from? Who born am? Where him dey before him wake up say him wan create the universe? Don't you think a "being" capable of creating a complex and gargantuan universe like ours can only be imagined? I think I'll rather go with the belief of most scientists, the big bang theory. Lol. Well my brother, personally I think I have enough proof to satisfy my mind that there's indeed a powerful being behind human existence. For one, the works of Tyndall and Louis Pasteur proved scientifically that what we have come to understand as 'life' can only come from another life -- law of biogenesis. In other words, inanimate matter can't give life, so that means another 'life-form' was originally responsible for starting the cycle of 'life' as we know it. Secondly, the human mind, I think, is another proof of a pre-existing creator. E.g, our minds can know, think, reason, plan and carry out its plans to execution. It can invent and produce instruments by which it can acquire knowledge of the vast universe, or of the minutest particle. It has developed intricate tools like computers and rockets that send astronauts to outer space and back. It can cause rivers to run backward, turn the forces of nature to serving human needs. But there remains one thing no man has ever been able to do -- he can't build, make, produce, or create anything that is superior to himself -- atleast not yet. He can use existing materials to build a house. A car is almost a living thing, but the intelligence and powers required to invent and produce it are superior to the thing produced, I think. To me, to suggest that anything the mind can invent, make, build, or bring into being could be superior in intelligence and ability relative to the mind that produced it to begin with, is almost tantamount to an insult to human intelligence. On that basis, I think it's safe to postulate that a more powerful mind of greater force and intelligence had to have produced the wonderful human mind. These are just two of about 10 different explanations I feel answers the question to my mind. I could be wrong, but I think that does it for me. Now, what I don't know is the purpose for human existence to begin with. If there's indeed an afterlife that'll offer man the chance to meet this creator, you bet I have a lot of questions to ask. lol.
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Post by ajanaku on Jul 27, 2016 16:50:43 GMT
Lol. Well my brother, personally I think I have enough proof to satisfy my mind that there's indeed a powerful being behind human existence. For one, the works of Tyndall and Louis Pasteur proved scientifically that what we have come to understand as 'life' can only come from another life -- law of biogenesis. In other words, inanimate matter can't give life, so that means another 'life-form' was originally responsible for starting the cycle of 'life' as we know it. Going by your logic, then I can also deduce that "God" which you think is a life-form must have spawned from another life-form... ...meaning some other "inexplicable being" out there created "God". And going by that same logic, another "weird being" created the "explicable being" that created "God"...and then infinite regression sets in....it goes on and on till person head go scatter! You mean a "God" out there created the millions of animal and plant species that's in this universe, each with its peculiarity? He created the millions of stars and planets the world over? If such a God exists... ...then my dreams of a foursome with Beyonce, Nikki minaj and CNN's Isha Sesay might come to pass.
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