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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Aug 4, 2016 21:50:14 GMT
Hmmnnn meaning the Igbos probably have a higher population than yorubas hun No they don't. Because we still hasn't factored in Kwara and Kogi. (80 and 22% respectively). For Kwara Yoruba sitters propably account for no less than 85% of JAMB taking students there, as the other groups have a starkly lower literacy rate. Not to mention that it is just 2016 that the SE led. the SW led last years, so the total number of sitters say nothing about population really.
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Post by omohayek on Aug 4, 2016 21:50:45 GMT
omohayek , has anyone written the reasons why Yorubas need to have a separate country? Not that I know of, apart from bizarre postings on Nairaland by "Emperor" Musiwa and the like. It's strange that we need a break-up the most, but talk about breaking up so much less than those who actually have the most to lose if they are all forced back to their own impoverished, land-locked enclave.
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Post by Honorebu on Aug 4, 2016 22:00:03 GMT
omohayek , has anyone written the reasons why Yorubas need to have a separate country? Not that I know of, apart from bizarre postings on Nairaland by "Emperor" Musiwa and the like. It's strange that we need a break-up the most, but talk about breaking up so much less than those who actually have the most to lose if they are all forced back to their own impoverished, land-locked enclave. Lol @ the emboldened I think enlightenment will go a long way. We need to write something Ogbeni OgunnaikeI also noticed the number of One Nigeria Yoruba devotees might have reduced or haven't you noticed the sudden rise in the number of ethnic champions ?
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Post by Honorebu on Aug 4, 2016 22:02:24 GMT
Hmmnnn meaning the Igbos probably have a higher population than yorubas hun No they don't. Because we still hasn't factored in Kwara and Kogi. (80 and 22% respectively). For Kwara Yoruba sitters propably account for no less than 85% of JAMB taking students there, as the other groups have a starkly lower literacy rate. Not to mention that it is just 2016 that the SE led. the SW led last years, so the total number of sitters say nothing about population really. Abeg post the link for 2015
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Post by Honorebu on Aug 4, 2016 22:03:58 GMT
Diran Apata writes a lot about Yoruba independence but he writes too many of those articles and people have become bored of reading the same thing
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Aug 4, 2016 22:04:06 GMT
Actually forget about the statistics, it is totally useless. As I just factored in the number of students in the West entering universities through the pre degree program, and then enter 200L straight away. Also, do you really think the fertility rate among igbos is that much greater than it is among Yorubas? I doubt if it is even greater. I wouldn't be so sure. The Nigerian government's own population web site says the following: If these stats are correct, I don't consider this a bad thing at all, as a declining fertility rate usually is associated with increased female educational attainment - better educated women don't want to waste their lives breeding like rabbits, and would rather have fewer children they better care for. Runaway population growth is one of the biggest factors holding African countries back developmentally. PS: I just found an interesting research paper on the subject on PubMed: take a look at Table 2 and Table 3 in the paper, and you'll see that Yoruba women have the lowest fertility rates of any of the groups under study, much lower than the figures for Igbo women - and this has been true since at least 2003, which was the earliest time recorded in the paper. Considering this trend probably goes back much further than 2003, it suggests that it could very well be the case that there are simply more Igbo teenagers around than there are Yorubas of the same age. Information on Nigeria seems to be inconsistent, and need t be taken with a pinch of salt each time. I did my own research on total fertility rates for women across the country, and here is what I found. TFR for women in SW (2013) Oyo - 4.5 Osun - 4.1 Ekiti - 4.3 Ondo - 5.2 Ogun - 5.4 Lagos - 4.1 Kwara - 5.1 Kogi - 4.2 TFR for women in SE (2013) Imo - 4.8 Abia - 4.2 Ebonyi - 5.3 Enugu - 4.8 Anambra - 4.2 Delta - 4.1 Rivers - 3.8 All in All, The Yorubas seem to have the fertility edge.
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Aug 4, 2016 22:05:58 GMT
No they don't. Because we still hasn't factored in Kwara and Kogi. (80 and 22% respectively). For Kwara Yoruba sitters propably account for no less than 85% of JAMB taking students there, as the other groups have a starkly lower literacy rate. Not to mention that it is just 2016 that the SE led. the SW led last years, so the total number of sitters say nothing about population really. Abeg post the link for 2015 I dont have the full figures, but Imo, Osun and Oyo led in Nigeria, with both Osun and Oyo having more than 80,000 candidates each.
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Aug 4, 2016 22:15:56 GMT
Honorebu , Then this year both dropped to about 70,000+ students each. So there seem to have been a big fluctuation. More reason why we need not deduce from those figures. We will need to wait and see the figures from Next year and 2018 to be able to draw a good inference. Imo has had the highest candidates on state level for a while though, but on a subregional level the story seem to be different.
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Post by omohayek on Aug 4, 2016 22:35:15 GMT
I wouldn't be so sure. The Nigerian government's own population web site says the following: If these stats are correct, I don't consider this a bad thing at all, as a declining fertility rate usually is associated with increased female educational attainment - better educated women don't want to waste their lives breeding like rabbits, and would rather have fewer children they better care for. Runaway population growth is one of the biggest factors holding African countries back developmentally. PS: I just found an interesting research paper on the subject on PubMed: take a look at Table 2 and Table 3 in the paper, and you'll see that Yoruba women have the lowest fertility rates of any of the groups under study, much lower than the figures for Igbo women - and this has been true since at least 2003, which was the earliest time recorded in the paper. Considering this trend probably goes back much further than 2003, it suggests that it could very well be the case that there are simply more Igbo teenagers around than there are Yorubas of the same age. Information on Nigeria seems to be inconsistent, and need t be taken with a pinch of salt each time. I did my own research on total fertility rates for women across the country, and here is what I found. TFR for women in SW (2013) Oyo - 4.5 Osun - 4.1 Ekiti - 4.3 Ondo - 5.2 Ogun - 5.4 Lagos - 4.1 Kwara - 5.1 Kogi - 4.2 TFR for women in SW (2013) Imo - 4.8 Abia - 4.2 Ebonyi - 5.3 Enugu - 4.8 Anambra - 4.2 Delta - 4.1 Rivers - 3.8 All in All, The Yorubas seem to have the fertility edge. The problem with the stats you provide is that they are by state, not by ethnicity. For example, just because Ogun state is shown at 5.3 doesn't mean that the native Yorubas are the ones responsible for that high figure (and if my own relatives are typical, they most likely are not), as the number could be pushed up by out-of-state migrants who breed like rats; a similar mechanism is at work with the USA's official fertility rate, which is distorted by fast-breeding Hispanic immigrants, even though native-born whites and blacks are at below replacement rate. Igbos who are stuck in their enclave are only about half of Nigeria's Igbo population, and those in the SW who are prospering by whatever means (legal or more likely illegal) will feel freer to breed like crazy than the ones left behind in a claustrophobic, overpopulated region. I haven't even mentioned all the northerners who've come down to beg, do guard-work, etc., and who have been causing trouble in areas like Mile 12. Subtract them and the Igbos out from the SW figures and you might be quite surprised. The thing about the 2 sources I've provided is that they are consistent with each other (and with my own personal experience, at least) - Yoruba women simply don't have the gigantic family sizes that we all expect from northerners. The real surprise is that Igbos are also still stuck in the "more kids is better" mentality that they love to lambast northerners for having.
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Aug 4, 2016 22:39:25 GMT
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Aug 4, 2016 23:17:47 GMT
Information on Nigeria seems to be inconsistent, and need t be taken with a pinch of salt each time. I did my own research on total fertility rates for women across the country, and here is what I found. TFR for women in SW (2013) Oyo - 4.5 Osun - 4.1 Ekiti - 4.3 Ondo - 5.2 Ogun - 5.4 Lagos - 4.1 Kwara - 5.1 Kogi - 4.2 TFR for women in SW (2013) Imo - 4.8 Abia - 4.2 Ebonyi - 5.3 Enugu - 4.8 Anambra - 4.2 Delta - 4.1 Rivers - 3.8 All in All, The Yorubas seem to have the fertility edge. The problem with the stats you provide is that they are by state, not by ethnicity. For example, just because Ogun state is shown at 5.3 doesn't mean that the native Yorubas are the ones responsible for that high figure (and if my own relatives are typical, they most likely are not), as the number could be pushed up by out-of-state migrants who breed like rats; a similar mechanism is at work with the USA's official fertility rate, which is distorted by fast-breeding Hispanic immigrants, even though native-born whites and blacks are at below replacement rate. Igbos who are stuck in their enclave are only about half of Nigeria's Igbo population, and those in the SW who are prospering by whatever means (legal or more likely illegal) will feel freer to breed like crazy than the ones left behind in a claustrophobic, overpopulated region. I haven't even mentioned all the northerners who've come down to beg, do guard-work, etc., and who have been causing trouble in areas like Mile 12. Subtract them and the Igbos out from the SW figures and you might be quite surprised. The thing about the 2 sources I've provided is that they are consistent with each other (and with my own personal experience, at least) - Yoruba women simply don't have the gigantic family sizes that we all expect from northerners. The real surprise is that Igbos are also still stuck in the "more kids is better" mentality that they love to lambast northerners for having. I understand your points. But the NDS survey is drawn from a nationally representative weighted sample, with Yorubas and Igbos having roughly the same numbers. for the unweighted samples, there were actually ore Yorubas than Igbos. The research was ethically focused to correlate with each zone.
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