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Post by Short_Biscuit on Jun 24, 2017 7:53:47 GMT
Morning Fam. I wanna think that by now most of y'all have heard about the news report making the rounds since the past few days about U.N projections of Nigeria's population surpassing that of the U.S by 2050. Following is a link to the report as carried by Punch newspapers, for those that are yet to read about it: punchng.com/nigeria-to-overtake-us-population-by-2050-un/Now for me, personally, I consider such a projection as nothing short of DREADFUL! My prayer and hope is that by that date Nigeria would've ceased to exist as a country, coz boy! the country would be one hell-on-earth of a place by then if things remain the way they are. Here's a country that can barely manage itself with its current population -- with ethnic-religious tensions, boko-haram, biafra-nigerdelta-federalism-resource control and other agitations, murderous herdsmen, Evan-esque kidnappings, economic depression, mass unemployment, e.t.c problems that don't look like they'll be ending anytime soon. Can such a country manage that many citizens/population explosion with such limited resources and problems? What do you guys think? Cc: omohayek , Ogbeni Ogunnaike , Her Highness , skebe , omoolowu , Honorebu , honeychild , Belmot , ruggedized , ajanaku , AgbongboAkala |
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Post by skebe on Jun 24, 2017 8:21:07 GMT
Morning Fam. I wanna think that by now most of y'all have heard about the news report making the rounds since the past few days about U.N projections of Nigeria's population surpassing that of the U.S by 2050. Following is a link to the report as carried by Punch newspapers, for those that are yet to read about it: punchng.com/nigeria-to-overtake-us-population-by-2050-un/Now for me, personally, I consider such a projection as nothing short of DREADFUL! My prayer and hope is that by that date Nigeria would've ceased to exist as a country, coz boy! the country would be one hell-on-earth of a place by then if things remain the way they are. Here's a country that can barely manage itself with its current population -- with ethnic-religious tensions, boko-haram, biafra-nigerdelta-federalism-resource control and other agitations, murderous herdsmen, Evan-esque kidnappings, economic depression, mass unemployment, e.t.c problems that don't look like they'll be ending anytime soon. Can such a country manage that many citizens/population explosion with such limited resources and problems? What do you guys think? Cc: omohayek , Ogbeni Ogunnaike , Her Highness , skebe , omoolowu , Honorebu , honeychild , Belmot , ruggedized , ajanaku , AgbongboAkala The stats has been online as far back as '13 as I know, maybe even earlier. God knows what the per capital income will be. When someone pointed my attention to it back then, my first fear was for my unborn children. With the rate of unemployment at the moment, how is it gonna be by then, provided the oil hasn't dried up. I have always told people around me, to do their best to secure the future for their wards. The government should enforce the replace model, where each family has maximum of two children. However, the problem is, it is the northerners wey they born children anyhow, won't allow any birth control policy to thrive, due to lack of education. The Americans already saw it as an opportunity though, as Nigeria would be a mine for human resources. That's why companies like Andela, are investing in Nigeria. |
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Jun 24, 2017 10:54:37 GMT
skebe: As for me, I hope that Nigeria would have long broken up by then. The way it's looking sef, the FG might be forced to begin to seriously consider the whole restructuring argument, else things are only going to get worse. 2050 is still a long way ahead of us, and with the current volatile state of affairs; with hate-speeches, agitations, and ethnic tensions flying all over the place, I don't see how the country can survive for that long without some form of tinkering with its current structure. If Kanu's movement continues to gain momentum (especially in the SE) at this rate, then something would have to give. I don't envy Osinbajo at the moment coz he's prettymuch under [political] siege and has to be extremely careful with the way he handles this Quit Notice issue (hear the police's 'excuse' for not having arrested any of the Northern Youths that made that declaration: www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/igbo-eviction-threats-yet-make-arrest-police/ , punchng.com/were-still-looking-for-arewa-youths-moshood-npf-spokesperson/ ). Arresting those Northern Youths that declared the quit notice can't be effected by Osinbajo for obvious reasons (which is why I said earlier that he's under seige and has no real power). That's asides the fact that some powerful Northern politicians like Ango Abdullahi, Kwankwaso, and Junaid Muhammed have come out to warn against their arrest. But on the flip side, this has also made it easier for Nnamdi Kanu to feel more emboldened and justified as he continues to flout his bail conditions. Very interesting times ahead. One way or another sha, I see some level of restructuring taking shape, if not outright disintegration, before that 2050.
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Post by skebe on Jun 24, 2017 12:44:36 GMT
skebe : As for me, I hope that Nigeria would have long broken up by then. The way it's looking sef, the FG might be forced to begin to seriously consider the whole restructuring argument, else things are only going to get worse. 2050 is still a long way ahead of us, and with the current volatile state of affairs; with hate-speeches, agitations, and ethnic tensions flying all over the place, I don't see how the country can survive for that long without some form of tinkering with its current structure. If Kanu's movement continues to gain momentum (especially in the SE) at this rate, then something would have to give. I don't envy Osinbajo at the moment coz he's prettymuch under [political] siege and has to be extremely careful with the way he handles this Quit Notice issue (hear the police's 'excuse' for not having arrested any of the Northern Youths that made that declaration: www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/igbo-eviction-threats-yet-make-arrest-police/ , punchng.com/were-still-looking-for-arewa-youths-moshood-npf-spokesperson/ ). Arresting those Northern Youths that declared the quit notice can't be effected by Osinbajo for obvious reasons (which is why I said earlier that he's under seige and has no real power). That's asides the fact that some powerful Northern politicians like Ango Abdullahi, Kwankwaso, and Junaid Muhammed have come out to warn against their arrest. But on the flip side, this has also made it easier for Nnamdi Kanu to feel more emboldened and justified as he continues to flout his bail conditions. Very interesting times ahead. One way or another sha, I see some level of restructuring taking shape, if not outright disintegration, before that 2050. I totally agree with you sir. If Nigeria miraculously survives the next electoral period, then I see the restructuring taking place over disintegration. My fear is for the middle belters, if Nigeria splits. How would they fair, will they be protected from the neighboring northerners. I guess UN will have a lot on their hands, if Nigeria splits, my opinion though. |
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Post by Honorebu on Jun 24, 2017 13:11:26 GMT
Mehn.. Short_Biscuit , Soludo mentioned this sometime last year in the presence of Naija landlords. They themselves can see the red signs. Excerpts from his speech " It is estimated that Nigeria's population will be about 400million by 2050"
"Nigeria will be one of the countries in the world with extremely High population density"
"Our land area is just about 923000sq km not forgetting the land we'll lose to desertification and erosion"
"There will be pressures on land. The desertification is part of the causes of the North-South migration we're witnessing
now"
"We have extensive schooling with very low levels of education and skills acquisition"
Let's also not forget that oil will be irrelevant by then. Looking at how unprepared we are generally for a non-oil economy, we're most likely going to see a case of a huge uneducated population, scarce land with limited resources. We all know what happens in such situations. Baba nla time bomb!!!!! Dummies think it's about voting APC instead of PDP and vice versa. I laugh in Kikuyu |
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Jun 24, 2017 14:08:43 GMT
skebe : As for me, I hope that Nigeria would have long broken up by then. The way it's looking sef, the FG might be forced to begin to seriously consider the whole restructuring argument, else things are only going to get worse. 2050 is still a long way ahead of us, and with the current volatile state of affairs; with hate-speeches, agitations, and ethnic tensions flying all over the place, I don't see how the country can survive for that long without some form of tinkering with its current structure. If Kanu's movement continues to gain momentum (especially in the SE) at this rate, then something would have to give. I don't envy Osinbajo at the moment coz he's prettymuch under [political] siege and has to be extremely careful with the way he handles this Quit Notice issue (hear the police's 'excuse' for not having arrested any of the Northern Youths that made that declaration: www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/igbo-eviction-threats-yet-make-arrest-police/ , punchng.com/were-still-looking-for-arewa-youths-moshood-npf-spokesperson/ ). Arresting those Northern Youths that declared the quit notice can't be effected by Osinbajo for obvious reasons (which is why I said earlier that he's under seige and has no real power). That's asides the fact that some powerful Northern politicians like Ango Abdullahi, Kwankwaso, and Junaid Muhammed have come out to warn against their arrest. But on the flip side, this has also made it easier for Nnamdi Kanu to feel more emboldened and justified as he continues to flout his bail conditions. Very interesting times ahead. One way or another sha, I see some level of restructuring taking shape, if not outright disintegration, before that 2050. I totally agree with you sir. If Nigeria miraculously survives the next electoral period, then I see the restructuring taking place over disintegration. My fear is for the middle belters, if Nigeria splits. How would they fair, will they be protected from the neighboring northerners. I guess UN will have a lot on their hands, if Nigeria splits, my opinion though. If Nigeria splits, it'll surely be messy but at this point I think it's prettymuch clear that it's inevitable and only a matter of 'when', not 'if'. The negotiations that precede such an event would certainly be tense -- as in, what will become of the likes of the middlebeltans, or the Yoruba-speaking parts of Kwara and Kogi? Will the Northerners infiltrate their ('Northern' Yoruba) ranks and scuttle their reunion with their Yoruba kith and kin in the SW region (like they once did in the past)? If the U.N is involved perhaps the negotiations may enjoy a better and more widely acceptable moderation. One thing I do hope for, though, is the final and complete obliteration of any Northern influence in determining the fate of Yorubaland as currently obtains in Nigeria -- where the country can't hope to achieve any progress without their consent due to their overwhelming political dominance. We need to be rid of and completely free from the yoke of Northern domination once and for all. |
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Jun 24, 2017 14:25:19 GMT
Mehn.. Short_Biscuit , Soludo mentioned this sometime last year in the presence of Naija landlords. They themselves can see the red signs. Excerpts from his speech " It is estimated that Nigeria's population will be about 400million by 2050"
"Nigeria will be one of the countries in the world with extremely High population density"
"Our land area is just about 923000sq km not forgetting the land we'll lose to desertification and erosion"
"There will be pressures on land. The desertification is part of the causes of the North-South migration we're witnessing
now"
"We have extensive schooling with very low levels of education and skills acquisition"
Let's also not forget that oil will be irrelevant by then. Looking at how unprepared we are generally for a non-oil economy, we're most likely going to see a case of a huge uneducated population, scarce land with limited resources. We all know what happens in such situations. Baba nla time bomb!!!!! Dummies think it's about voting APC instead of PDP and vice versa. I laugh in Kikuyu To be honest with you, my biggest fear lies with Yorubaland, because most of all that 'North-to-South' migration that Soludo spoke about will be coming in our direction for the most part (and the South-South to a lesser degree). Without firm control of our borders, we risk being overwhelmed by an unmanageable population explosion without commensurate planning to absorb and integrate all those people -- especially the hard-headed ones (yibo people) who after a few years of settling in your midst will start dragging ownership of your land with you. Already, our region is arguably the most populous geopolitical region in the country (partly due to this exact same development), and we're already bearing witness to the side-effects of the pressure this is having on our states. Kenya, for example, was able to manage the influx of Somali refugees by setting up tightly controlled IDP camps, with the assistance of the UN. In our case, these people would just move freely to Yorubaland and start putting pressure on our social services. Which is why I insist the country NEEDS to breakup. |
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Jun 24, 2017 21:32:24 GMT
Mehn.. Short_Biscuit , Soludo mentioned this sometime last year in the presence of Naija landlords. They themselves can see the red signs. Excerpts from his speech " It is estimated that Nigeria's population will be about 400million by 2050"
"Nigeria will be one of the countries in the world with extremely High population density"
"Our land area is just about 923000sq km not forgetting the land we'll lose to desertification and erosion"
"There will be pressures on land. The desertification is part of the causes of the North-South migration we're witnessing
now"
"We have extensive schooling with very low levels of education and skills acquisition"
Let's also not forget that oil will be irrelevant by then. Looking at how unprepared we are generally for a non-oil economy, we're most likely going to see a case of a huge uneducated population, scarce land with limited resources. We all know what happens in such situations. Baba nla time bomb!!!!! Dummies think it's about voting APC instead of PDP and vice versa. I laugh in Kikuyu To be honest with you, my biggest fear lies with Yorubaland, because most of all that 'North-to-South' migration that Soludo spoke about will be coming in our direction for the most part (and the South-South to a lesser degree). Without firm control of our borders, we risk being overwhelmed by an unmanageable population explosion without commensurate planning to absorb and integrate all those people -- especially the hard-headed ones (yibo people) who after a few years of settling in your midst will start dragging ownership of your land with you. Already, our region is arguably the most populous geopolitical region in the country (partly due to this exact same development), and we're already bearing witness to the side-effects of the pressure this is having on our states. Kenya, for example, was able to manage the influx of Somali refugees by setting up tightly controlled IDP camps, with the assistance of the UN. In our case, these people would just move freely to Yorubaland and start putting pressure on our social services. Which is why I insist the country NEEDS to breakup. The worst part is that the states aren't even receiving budget shares commensurate with their actual populations. Double cheating. But the Yorubas (vast majority) don't see the problem. Awon We are accommodating and friendly" crew. With the increasing presence of foreigners in Yorubaland, being Yoruba will simply lose its essence. You can't Yorubanize everybody coming in , not in this present system, unless a deliberate system is put in place to ensure that. |
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Jun 25, 2017 9:02:53 GMT
To be honest with you, my biggest fear lies with Yorubaland, because most of all that 'North-to-South' migration that Soludo spoke about will be coming in our direction for the most part (and the South-South to a lesser degree). Without firm control of our borders, we risk being overwhelmed by an unmanageable population explosion without commensurate planning to absorb and integrate all those people -- especially the hard-headed ones (yibo people) who after a few years of settling in your midst will start dragging ownership of your land with you. Already, our region is arguably the most populous geopolitical region in the country (partly due to this exact same development), and we're already bearing witness to the side-effects of the pressure this is having on our states. Kenya, for example, was able to manage the influx of Somali refugees by setting up tightly controlled IDP camps, with the assistance of the UN. In our case, these people would just move freely to Yorubaland and start putting pressure on our social services. Which is why I insist the country NEEDS to breakup. The worst part is that the states aren't even receiving budget shares commensurate with their actual populations. Double cheating. But the Yorubas (vast majority) don't see the problem. Awon We are accommodating and friendly" crew. With the increasing presence of foreigners in Yorubaland, being Yoruba will simply lose its essence. You can't Yorubanize everybody coming in , not in this present system, unless a deliberate system is put in place to ensure that. GBAM! To be honest with you, it's a big source of worry for me when I think of the overall interest of our region and race within the Nigerian space. Our political elite are really slacking in this regard. They seem so intimidated to speak up, and prefer to 'play it safe' with their politically correct posturing. Take this Ipob agitation for instance. Our elite, both in the political and cultural spheres, have been playing dumb to Nnamdi Kanu's vitriolic attacks on the Yorubas (including those e-goats Fayose and FFK). Honestly, I have come to the conclusion and have no doubt in my mind that the Yoruba political elite are generally intimidated by the Igbos, and this dates way back to even prior to amalgamation. In the recent past I've made reference here to how Pa Awo felt the need to try to pacify Zik for forming a socio-cultural Yoruba group (even though the Igbos already had theirs). Even FFK that used to hit them pound-for-pound has done a 360-degrees since he hooked up with that igbo lady. The arrowhead of the recent quit notice by the Northern Youth to the igbos recently called out Falana for being one-sided in his criticism of his group by not equally mentioning Kanu's insults against the Yorubas ( punchng.com/igbo-quit-notice-i-have-the-support-of-my-elders-yerima-replies-falana/ ). And on this point I support him wholeheartedly. Yoruba 'leaders' including and especially the Afenifere and other groups that have been releasing press statements in solidarity with the Igbos have FAILED to address iPobs rabid anti-Yoruba rhetoric!! Must they play the ostrich all because they want to form sophistication? I support and respect iPob agitation but I will never forgive nor forget an unrepentant Nnamdi Kanu's attacks against the Yoruba race. Yorubas are always quick to tackle the Hausa-Fulani political establishment, whereas when it comes to the arrogant and in-your-face confrontations of the igbos against us even in our land, they form sophistication. That's the height of cowardice IMO. Fashola had to publicly apologize to Igbos for doing what their own governors have been getting aways with, when he sent their destitutes back to Igboland. They have the effrontery to demand for political positions in the governor's cabinet in a Yoruba state (Lagos), when even their own fellow igbos can't dare ask for such in another igbo SE state where they're non-indigenes. When I think about this, I feel like giving up on our people, coz with this kind of attitude the future doesn't look encouraging at all. |
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