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Post by Short_Biscuit on Apr 23, 2016 22:39:32 GMT
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Post by Honorebu on Apr 24, 2016 3:13:47 GMT
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Apr 24, 2016 6:22:50 GMT
In my opinion, the older parts of the city need to be entirely demolished, re-planned and rebuilt from scratch -- or at the very least the government should enact a law that mandates landlords to re-roof and repaint their homes more regularly. Granted it's an 'ancient city' but the older part doesn't have to look so rusty. Lack of maintenance of private buildings seems to be a 'culture' in our parts. As far as I'm concerned such structures have outlived their usefulness and have practically become a burden on the aesthetic character of such a city. Doing that will give the city a much needed 'new lease of life'. Obviously development practically ground to a half after the death of regionalism coz the city stopped receiving its former attention as a regional capital. The city's CBD has to be one of the best planned ones we have in the entire country, behind Lagos and Abuja CBDs, but it can be expanded. That section of the city also needs at least 5 more skyscrapers of the calibre of the Cocoa house (with at least 25 floors) to breath life to her skyline. A Fashola-calibre of leader can turn around the face of the city within the space of a decade. Without the old rusty roofs of the older parts of the city, Ibadan would have a Los-Angeles-esque look like below. Such a skyline would arguably be the one of the best in the entire country and Africa as a whole:
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Post by Honorebu on Apr 24, 2016 10:58:22 GMT
In my opinion, the older parts of the city need to be entirely demolished, re-planned and rebuilt from scratch -- or at the very least the government should enact a law that mandates landlords to re-roof and repaint their homes more regularly. Granted it's an 'ancient city' but the older part doesn't have to look so rusty. Lack of maintenance of private buildings seems to be a 'culture' in our parts. As far as I'm concerned such structures have outlived their usefulness and have practically become a burden on the aesthetic character of such a city. Doing that will give the city a much needed 'new lease of life'. Obviously development practically ground to a half after the death of regionalism coz the city stopped receiving its former attention as a regional capital. The city's CBD has to be one of the best planned ones we have in the entire country, behind Lagos and Abuja CBDs, but it can be expanded. That section of the city also needs at least 5 more skyscrapers of the calibre of the Cocoa house (with at least 25 floors) to breath life to her skyline. A Fashola-calibre of leader can turn around the face of the city within the space of a decade. Without the old rusty roofs of the older parts of the city, Ibadan would have a Los-Angeles-esque look like below. Such a skyline would arguably be the one of the best in the entire country and Africa as a whole: Truer words never been said sire I was going through the pictures on the Ibadan announcer account yesterday. Ibadan is sooo ddddirty oh Lord! There are so many things wrong with Ibadan and oyo state in general
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Apr 24, 2016 12:54:49 GMT
In my opinion, the older parts of the city need to be entirely demolished, re-planned and rebuilt from scratch -- or at the very least the government should enact a law that mandates landlords to re-roof and repaint their homes more regularly. Granted it's an 'ancient city' but the older part doesn't have to look so rusty. Lack of maintenance of private buildings seems to be a 'culture' in our parts. As far as I'm concerned such structures have outlived their usefulness and have practically become a burden on the aesthetic character of such a city. Doing that will give the city a much needed 'new lease of life'. Obviously development practically ground to a half after the death of regionalism coz the city stopped receiving its former attention as a regional capital. The city's CBD has to be one of the best planned ones we have in the entire country, behind Lagos and Abuja CBDs, but it can be expanded. That section of the city also needs at least 5 more skyscrapers of the calibre of the Cocoa house (with at least 25 floors) to breath life to her skyline. A Fashola-calibre of leader can turn around the face of the city within the space of a decade. Without the old rusty roofs of the older parts of the city, Ibadan would have a Los-Angeles-esque look like below. Such a skyline would arguably be the one of the best in the entire country and Africa as a whole: Truer words never been said sire I was going through the pictures on the Ibadan announcer account yesterday. Ibadan is sooo ddddirty oh Lord! There are so many things wrong with Ibadan and oyo state in general Bros, can you please confirm that the pix below is ibadan. And if yes, what area of the city? Thanx.
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Post by omohayek on Apr 24, 2016 13:01:50 GMT
In my opinion, the older parts of the city need to be entirely demolished, re-planned and rebuilt from scratch -- or at the very least the government should enact a law that mandates landlords to re-roof and repaint their homes more regularly. Granted it's an 'ancient city' but the older part doesn't have to look so rusty. Lack of maintenance of private buildings seems to be a 'culture' in our parts. As far as I'm concerned such structures have outlived their usefulness and have practically become a burden on the aesthetic character of such a city. Doing that will give the city a much needed 'new lease of life'. Obviously development practically ground to a half after the death of regionalism coz the city stopped receiving its former attention as a regional capital. The city's CBD has to be one of the best planned ones we have in the entire country, behind Lagos and Abuja CBDs, but it can be expanded. That section of the city also needs at least 5 more skyscrapers of the calibre of the Cocoa house (with at least 25 floors) to breath life to her skyline. A Fashola-calibre of leader can turn around the face of the city within the space of a decade. Without the old rusty roofs of the older parts of the city, Ibadan would have a Los-Angeles-esque look like below. Such a skyline would arguably be the one of the best in the entire country and Africa as a whole: But where will the money come from to do all this? Oyo state isn't exactly swimming in funds as it is. Remember that as embarrassing as those rusty brown roofs may be to those of us commenting from the comfort of our PCs and smartphones, real people reside in those buildings, and imposing new regulations on them means making life even harder for people already struggling to make ends meet (otherwise they'd already be living in better housing). I don't consider Lagos-style "slum clearance" - i.e. summarily demolishing people's homes and leaving them to fend for themselves afterwards - acceptable, especially in a city where many of the homes to be demolished are the ancestral homes of people, with clear rights of ownership (unlike settlers' slums such as Makoko or Ajegunle). If we want to see better-looking cities, we first have to create better economic conditions that will allow people to upgrade their housing. That means getting the essentials of transport, power, education and security sorted first, even if the ugly brown houses must be left as they are for the immediate future.
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Post by Honorebu on Apr 24, 2016 13:07:23 GMT
Truer words never been said sire I was going through the pictures on the Ibadan announcer account yesterday. Ibadan is sooo ddddirty oh Lord! There are so many things wrong with Ibadan and oyo state in general Bros, can you please confirm that the pix below is ibadan. And if yes, what area of the city? Thanx. Baba i don't think this is Ibadan ooo Its a South-south state. I don't know which one exactly but i'm guessing it's port harcourt
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Apr 24, 2016 13:13:31 GMT
Bros, can you please confirm that the pix below is ibadan. And if yes, what area of the city? Thanx. Baba i don't think this is Ibadan ooo Its a South-south state. I don't know which one exactly but i'm guessing it's port harcourt Thanx. I asked coz two people (the poster and someone else) claimed it's ibadan on the Yoruba Commonwealth thread on NL but didn't state the area.
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Post by Honorebu on Apr 24, 2016 13:22:32 GMT
Short_Biscuit , omohayek does have a point but how for how long are we going to wait for the economic conditions of the people to improve This is 2016. Its really embarassing eeerm do you guys think increasing the minimum wage to a very high amount can change that and we can afford to do that?
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Apr 24, 2016 13:46:30 GMT
In my opinion, the older parts of the city need to be entirely demolished, re-planned and rebuilt from scratch -- or at the very least the government should enact a law that mandates landlords to re-roof and repaint their homes more regularly. Granted it's an 'ancient city' but the older part doesn't have to look so rusty. Lack of maintenance of private buildings seems to be a 'culture' in our parts. As far as I'm concerned such structures have outlived their usefulness and have practically become a burden on the aesthetic character of such a city. Doing that will give the city a much needed 'new lease of life'. Obviously development practically ground to a half after the death of regionalism coz the city stopped receiving its former attention as a regional capital. The city's CBD has to be one of the best planned ones we have in the entire country, behind Lagos and Abuja CBDs, but it can be expanded. That section of the city also needs at least 5 more skyscrapers of the calibre of the Cocoa house (with at least 25 floors) to breath life to her skyline. A Fashola-calibre of leader can turn around the face of the city within the space of a decade. Without the old rusty roofs of the older parts of the city, Ibadan would have a Los-Angeles-esque look like below. Such a skyline would arguably be the one of the best in the entire country and Africa as a whole: But where will the money come from to do all this? Oyo state isn't exactly swimming in funds as it is. Remember that as embarrassing as those rusty brown roofs may be to those of us commenting from the comfort of our PCs and smartphones, real people reside in those buildings, and imposing new regulations on them means making life even harder for people already struggling to make ends meet (otherwise they'd already be living in better housing). I don't consider Lagos-style "slum clearance" - i.e. summarily demolishing people's homes and leaving them to fend for themselves afterwards - acceptable, especially in a city where many of the homes to be demolished are the ancestral homes of people, with clear rights of ownership (unlike settlers' slums such as Makoko or Ajegunle). If we want to see better-looking cities, we first have to create better economic conditions that will allow people to upgrade their housing. That means getting the essentials of transport, power, education and security sorted first, even if the ugly brown houses must be left as they are for the immediate future. I agree with your submission, in principle. And I admit that I don't know where the money will come from to execute the scale of renewal I advocated, like you asked, but I do know that the city needs an upgrade, and desperately too. In fact, all Yoruba cities need a facelift coz I personally find it a tad-bit embarrassing that you can't do a google search of any of our cities in the hinterland (minu Lagos) without being confronted by images of decaying cities and towns that are pretty more or less sprawling glorified villages. And I really don't believe those folks are so poor that they can't even afford to at least paint most of those properties/houses atleast once every 4 years, considering that they most likely have tenants inhabiting them -- that I believe would make a world of difference on the landscape. Personally, I feel our folks just generally do not place much value on such things as home-improvement and basic maintenance -- how else do you explain such uniformity of their general state??? Another reason I consider to be responsible for this preponderant infrastructural decay and general lack of maintenance of such properties in the entire region (from my personal research) is often times family tussle -- in a lot of cases the descendants of the original owners of these properties (probably born into a polygamous setting) find it almost impossible to agree on the matters pertaining to their management, and in a lot of cases such disagreements lead to litigations that drag for so long, preventing these properties from receiving much needed attention (which is responsible for the many "This house is not for sale" markings on many such properties). Personally, I admire the architecture of most of those homes but without regular maintenance a lot of them have become death-traps, are caving in, and definitely have become an eyesore. I definitely agree with you that the region needs to come up with creative and sustainable ways of improving the economic conditions of its people to improve their living standards. BUT, I still maintain that our maintenance culture leaves more to be desired coz other more recent/modern infrastructure are already beginnig to deteriorate as well. Of course it's a general Nigerian and indeed African problem, but as a Yorubaman I'm more concerned about how it affects the SW.
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Post by omohayek on Apr 24, 2016 14:00:06 GMT
Short_Biscuit , omohayek does have a point but how for how long are we going to wait for the economic conditions of the people to improve This is 2016. Its really embarassing eeerm do you guys think increasing the minimum wage to a very high amount can change that and we can afford to do that? I don't see raising the minimum wage doing anything but either throwing a lot of people out of work or forcing employment out of the formal sector (where wages can at least be taxed). No rational business will pay more for labor than its marginal productive value, and if the minimum wage rises above the productive value of the people one employs, it no longer makes sense to keep them on. The minimum wage hikes implemented by Yar'adua and GEJ are largely to blame for the crisis 27 of the 36 states are currently facing. The only way to bring prosperity to the masses is to increase their productivity by the sort of basic (even if boring) investments in fundamentals that we've been seeing in Lagos and Ogun states. Oyo state needs more and better roads to feed traffic to and from Ibadan, and much better primary and secondary education for its young people; in addition, its reps in the NASS need to make sure the Lagos-Kano rail project is completed quickly.
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Apr 26, 2016 22:00:52 GMT
Bros, can you please confirm that the pix below is ibadan. And if yes, what area of the city? Thanx. Baba i don't think this is Ibadan ooo Its a South-south state. I don't know which one exactly but i'm guessing it's port harcourt This is Lagos nau.
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Post by Omoluabi on Apr 27, 2016 7:32:27 GMT
Bros, can you please confirm that the pix below is ibadan. And if yes, what area of the city? Thanx. Baba i don't think this is Ibadan ooo Its a South-south state. I don't know which one exactly but i'm guessing it's port harcourt Haba Honorebu, is that how you've totally bought the narrative that nothing beautiful is in Ibadan? Why are you breaking my heart na? I don't know if this picture is from Ibadan but I can confidently tell you that some parts of samonda, new bodija, general gas, akobo, Oluyole are as beautiful and well laid out as this. Don't swallow all the negativities pls. We know places like bere, okebola etc still dey but Ibadan is developing fast. In fact going on a property search this January, I saw plots going for like 25m. I was like " even in Ibadan"?!! Ibadan is expanding and the new places can compete with Lagos, pH or abuja.
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Post by Omoluabi on Apr 27, 2016 7:39:57 GMT
Short_Biscuit , omohayek does have a point but how for how long are we going to wait for the economic conditions of the people to improve This is 2016. Its really embarassing eeerm do you guys think increasing the minimum wage to a very high amount can change that and we can afford to do that? I don't see raising the minimum wage doing anything but either throwing a lot of people out of work or forcing employment out of the formal sector (where wages can at least be taxed). No rational business will pay more for labor than its marginal productive value, and if the minimum wage rises above the productive value of the people one employs, it no longer makes sense to keep them on. The minimum wage hikes implemented by Yar'adua and GEJ are largely to blame for the crisis 27 of the 36 states are currently facing. The only way to bring prosperity to the masses is to increase their productivity by the sort of basic (even if boring) investments in fundamentals that we've been seeing in Lagos and Ogun states. Oyo state needs more and better roads to feed traffic to and from Ibadan, and much better primary and secondary education for its young people; in addition, its reps in the NASS need to make sure the Lagos-Kano rail project is completed quickly. Ajimobi focused a lot on roads in his first tenure but he's just relaxed in this second tenure. 2nd term curse and paucity of funds are not helping him at all. Despite that however, he's started the upgrading of roads like Oluyole-apata road, Alaafin road in Oluyole etc. He's expanding the capacity and strength of the drainages and canal in Oluyole industrial estate to be able to handle more flood waters. There's room for improvement and I hope he rediscovers his first term enthusiasm.
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Post by Honorebu on Apr 28, 2016 0:02:55 GMT
Baba i don't think this is Ibadan ooo Its a South-south state. I don't know which one exactly but i'm guessing it's port harcourt Haba Honorebu , is that how you've totally bought the narrative that nothing beautiful is in Ibadan? Why are you breaking my heart na? I don't know if this picture is from Ibadan but I can confidently tell you that some parts of samonda, new bodija, general gas, akobo, Oluyole are as beautiful and well laid out as this. Don't swallow all the negativities pls. We know places like bere, okebola etc still dey but Ibadan is developing fast. In fact going on a property search this January, I saw plots going for like 25m. I was like " even in Ibadan"?!! Ibadan is expanding and the new places can compete with Lagos, pH or abuja. Lol I didn't buy any narrative ooo Oil money. I know some beautiful parts of Ibadan afterall I have a brother who stays in Apata but that particular picture is not Ibadan. Its somewhere in the SS. I've seen the picture before
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