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Post by Honorebu on Mar 17, 2017 13:05:34 GMT
I just read a thread on NL about the Dangote refinery. That thread gave me some serious goosebumps We'll benefit the most cos we have the highest number of people in that oil sector. Dangote refinery and Lagos-ibadan railway. Ibadan now has a masterplan too. Huh!! 😊 Ogbeni Ogunnaike Short_Biscuit AgbongboAkala how far with Ogun state refinery. Petrolex abi ki lo ti n pe. Another wash?
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Post by Honorebu on Mar 17, 2017 13:08:18 GMT
Again, my biggest concern amidst all these is that it's all happening in the SW. Massive migration is inevitable. What about jealousy?
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Mar 17, 2017 16:29:43 GMT
Again, my biggest concern amidst all these is that it's all happening in the SW. Massive migration is inevitable. What about jealousy? Your concerns are very valid and legit. That's why we need some form of autonomy that'll give us more say as to how we regulate migration to our region.
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Post by Honorebu on Mar 17, 2017 17:44:12 GMT
Again, my biggest concern amidst all these is that it's all happening in the SW. Massive migration is inevitable. What about jealousy? Your concerns are very valid and legit. That's why we need some form of autonomy that'll give us more say as to how we regulate migration to our region. Lol see..ka so oto fun ra wa. Even If we're granted autonomy, nothing would be done to curb migration. Should any leader make that move, the reaction would be similar to Trump's Muslim ban and it will most likely come from Yoruba people
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Mar 17, 2017 19:12:05 GMT
Your concerns are very valid and legit. That's why we need some form of autonomy that'll give us more say as to how we regulate migration to our region. Lol see..ka so oto fun ra wa. Even If we're granted autonomy, nothing would be done to curb migration. Should any leader make that move, the reaction would be similar to Trump's Muslim ban and it will most likely come from Yoruba people I don't completely agree. A situation where Yorubas loose their majority ethnicity status in Lagos is very feasible if current trends persist. It's already happened in Abuja where the Hausa-Fulani elite have prettymuch displaced the Gbagyi and Gwari indigenes and shifted base from Kaduna to the FCT and are rapidly adopting the city as their preferred investment destination. Lagos would likely have suffered the same fate much sooner had she not lost her FCT status over a quarter of a century ago. An independent country or autonomous region can employ a variety of strategic policies to control unmitigated migration. E.g. About 5 or 6 Years ago, my madam and I went to inspect some lands we were interested in buying around the Lekki/Ajah axis, and I recall that we were told by the guy showing us around the land that Tinubu had (while in office) instituted an unofficial policy that put a cap on the amount of land that was to be sold to igbos in that axis to slow the fast changing demographic landscape of that part of the state. At the time I was shocked to hear this and had to ask the guy to repeat what he said. I think the policy may have fizzled out under Fashola though. Make no mistake about it. As we speak, several communities in Nigeria as a matter of policy do not even sell land to outsiders -- this is most common in the SouthEastern part of the country, where they come up with all kinds of excuses for refusing to sell land to non-indigenes. Some SS groups are unapologetic about their refusal to sell land to Igbos even. Why do you think they do that? It's simply because they're trying to keep certain folks out (or at least slow down their encroachment) in order to retain political control of their area. So you see, it's already happening sef. It's one of several tools that can be employed to maintain the ethnic integrity of a community when necessary. Imagine that the Ghanaians had not been forced to leave Nigeria back in the 70s and early 80s (over a million ghanaians were sent packing back then, mind you), without a doubt their population would've swollen/multiplied enough to make them a defacto minority ethnic group in Nigeria today (particularly within Lagos and the SW). 1-million migrants/settlers moving to any location are enough to threaten the ethnic composition of any community forever. I'm not against immigration, but abeg let's do it with sense. Not the one that you allow just any tom,dick and harry to come and displace you from your ancestral lands. That's tantamount to insanity.
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Post by omohayek on Mar 17, 2017 19:41:57 GMT
Lol see..ka so oto fun ra wa. Even If we're granted autonomy, nothing would be done to curb migration. Should any leader make that move, the reaction would be similar to Trump's Muslim ban and it will most likely come from Yoruba people I don't completely agree. A situation where Yorubas loose their majority ethnicity status in Lagos is very feasible if current trends persist. It's already happened in Abuja where the Hausa-Fulani elite have prettymuch displaced the Gbagyi and Gwari indigenes and shifted base from Kaduna to the FCT and are rapidly adopting the city as their preferred investment destination. Lagos would likely have suffered the same fate much sooner had she not lost her FCT status over a quarter of a century ago. An independent country or autonomous region can employ a variety of strategic policies to control unmitigated migration. E.g. About 5 or 6 Years ago, my madam and I went to inspect some lands we were interested in buying around the Lekki/Ajah axis, and I recall that we were told by the guy showing us around the land that Tinubu had (while in office) instituted an unofficial policy that put a cap on the amount of land that was to be sold to igbos in that axis to slow the fast changing demographic landscape of that part of the state. At the time I was shocked to hear this and had to ask the guy to repeat what he said. I think the policy may have fizzled out under Fashola though. Make no mistake about it. As we speak, several communities in Nigeria as a matter of policy do not even sell land to outsiders -- this is most common in the SouthEastern part of the country, where they come up with all kinds of excuses for refusing to sell land to non-indigenes. Some SS groups are unapologetic about their refusal to sell land to Igbos even. Why do you think they do that? It's simply because they're trying to keep certain folks out (or at least slow down their encroachment) in order to retain political control of their area. So you see, it's already happening sef. It's one of several tools that can be employed to maintain the ethnic integrity of a community when necessary. Imagine that the Ghanaians had not been forced to leave Nigeria back in the 70s and early 80s (over a million ghanaians were sent packing back then, mind you), without a doubt their population would've swollen/multiplied enough to make them a defacto minority ethnic group in Nigeria today (particularly within Lagos and the SW). 1-million migrants/settlers moving to any location are enough to threaten the ethnic composition of any community forever. I'm not against immigration, but abeg let's do it with sense. Not the one that you allow just any tom,dick and harry to come and displace you from your ancestral lands. That's tantamount to insanity. I think we are all in agreement on the points you raise. The problem though, as Honorebu mentioned, is that there is little that can be done about it under anything short of secession. Neither the northerners nor the easterners would ever agree to have their presence in the SW limited, even under a confederation. At the very minimum, the breakaway of Biafra would provide the opportunity to reduce the presence of that particular demographic in the SW, but even better would be for us to detach ourselves as well, so that the northerners can also be "encouraged" to return to Arewastan unless they have vital skills we need - and let's face it, how many northerners would meet that criterion?
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Mar 17, 2017 20:12:40 GMT
I don't completely agree. A situation where Yorubas loose their majority ethnicity status in Lagos is very feasible if current trends persist. It's already happened in Abuja where the Hausa-Fulani elite have prettymuch displaced the Gbagyi and Gwari indigenes and shifted base from Kaduna to the FCT and are rapidly adopting the city as their preferred investment destination. Lagos would likely have suffered the same fate much sooner had she not lost her FCT status over a quarter of a century ago. An independent country or autonomous region can employ a variety of strategic policies to control unmitigated migration. E.g. About 5 or 6 Years ago, my madam and I went to inspect some lands we were interested in buying around the Lekki/Ajah axis, and I recall that we were told by the guy showing us around the land that Tinubu had (while in office) instituted an unofficial policy that put a cap on the amount of land that was to be sold to igbos in that axis to slow the fast changing demographic landscape of that part of the state. At the time I was shocked to hear this and had to ask the guy to repeat what he said. I think the policy may have fizzled out under Fashola though. Make no mistake about it. As we speak, several communities in Nigeria as a matter of policy do not even sell land to outsiders -- this is most common in the SouthEastern part of the country, where they come up with all kinds of excuses for refusing to sell land to non-indigenes. Some SS groups are unapologetic about their refusal to sell land to Igbos even. Why do you think they do that? It's simply because they're trying to keep certain folks out (or at least slow down their encroachment) in order to retain political control of their area. So you see, it's already happening sef. It's one of several tools that can be employed to maintain the ethnic integrity of a community when necessary. Imagine that the Ghanaians had not been forced to leave Nigeria back in the 70s and early 80s (over a million ghanaians were sent packing back then, mind you), without a doubt their population would've swollen/multiplied enough to make them a defacto minority ethnic group in Nigeria today (particularly within Lagos and the SW). 1-million migrants/settlers moving to any location are enough to threaten the ethnic composition of any community forever. I'm not against immigration, but abeg let's do it with sense. Not the one that you allow just any tom,dick and harry to come and displace you from your ancestral lands. That's tantamount to insanity. I think we are all in agreement on the points you raise. The problem though, as Honorebu mentioned, is that there is little that can be done about it under anything short of secession. Neither the northerners nor the easterners would ever agree to have their presence in the SW limited, even under a confederation. At the very minimum, the breakaway of Biafra would provide the opportunity to reduce the presence of that particular demographic in the SW, but even better would be for us to detach ourselves as well, so that the northerners can also be "encouraged" to return to Arewastan unless they have vital skills we need - and let's face it, how many northerners would meet that criterion? I agree too that it can only be achieved if we are able to have our own country. It'll be insane of us if we didn't try to curb indiscriminate migration, especially from the Biafrans. I recall that just a few years ago the Ghanaian government had to begin enforcing an old law they'd almost forgotten about (which was meant to protect Ghanaians from foreign competition in certain sectors of their economy) in order to protect their local traders from Igbo traders who were exploiting 'ecowas' to set up shop in that country and gradually displace Ghanaians in their markets, of course as you would expect the Igbos cried blue murder, citing 'ecowas' this and that. But the Ghanains didn't budge coz they knew the implication. A similar thing also happened in Kenya, when some Igbo traders also thought they were in West Africa, forming 'ecowas', omo forget o, Kenyans were brutal with them and deported their a$$es back to Naija before they could know what hit them. Lagos doesn't need 20-million+ people to remain prosperous. JoBurg has less than 10-million and is doing great, Nairobi has just short of 5-million and isn't slacking either. Therefore the false idea that Lagos would stop growing without the Biafrans is wishful thinking.
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Post by Honorebu on Mar 17, 2017 22:23:22 GMT
Lol see..ka so oto fun ra wa. Even If we're granted autonomy, nothing would be done to curb migration. Should any leader make that move, the reaction would be similar to Trump's Muslim ban and it will most likely come from Yoruba people I don't completely agree. A situation where Yorubas loose their majority ethnicity status in Lagos is very feasible if current trends persist. It's already happened in Abuja where the Hausa-Fulani elite have prettymuch displaced the Gbagyi and Gwari indigenes and shifted base from Kaduna to the FCT and are rapidly adopting the city as their preferred investment destination. Lagos would likely have suffered the same fate much sooner had she not lost her FCT status over a quarter of a century ago. An independent country or autonomous region can employ a variety of strategic policies to control unmitigated migration. E.g. About 5 or 6 Years ago, my madam and I went to inspect some lands we were interested in buying around the Lekki/Ajah axis, and I recall that we were told by the guy showing us around the land that Tinubu had (while in office) instituted an unofficial policy that put a cap on the amount of land that was to be sold to igbos in that axis to slow the fast changing demographic landscape of that part of the state. At the time I was shocked to hear this and had to ask the guy to repeat what he said. I think the policy may have fizzled out under Fashola though. Make no mistake about it. As we speak, several communities in Nigeria as a matter of policy do not even sell land to outsiders -- this is most common in the SouthEastern part of the country, where they come up with all kinds of excuses for refusing to sell land to non-indigenes. Some SS groups are unapologetic about their refusal to sell land to Igbos even. Why do you think they do that? It's simply because they're trying to keep certain folks out (or at least slow down their encroachment) in order to retain political control of their area. So you see, it's already happening sef. It's one of several tools that can be employed to maintain the ethnic integrity of a community when necessary. Imagine that the Ghanaians had not been forced to leave Nigeria back in the 70s and early 80s (over a million ghanaians were sent packing back then, mind you), without a doubt their population would've swollen/multiplied enough to make them a defacto minority ethnic group in Nigeria today (particularly within Lagos and the SW). 1-million migrants/settlers moving to any location are enough to threaten the ethnic composition of any community forever. I'm not against immigration, but abeg let's do it with sense. Not the one that you allow just any tom,dick and harry to come and displace you from your ancestral lands. That's tantamount to insanity. I think we're talking about 2 different things. What I'm saying is, it most likely won't happen in as much as you and I would love it to happen knowing the nature of our people. Moreover, all these are happening underground and nothing official. As per the Ghanaian reference, I doubt If that'll be possible today except they are here as illegal immigrants
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Post by Honorebu on Mar 17, 2017 22:32:45 GMT
For that to happen,
1- We need to have a very audacious leader in the mould of Fash
2- Our people will need to overwhelmingly support it. Will that happen looking at this current crop of Yorubas?
Anyone who followed this Trump Muslim ban thing closely would understand what I'm saying. It's hard to pull it off EXCEPT they are here as illegal migrants. But as long as they have their papers, nothing much can be done about it and knowing how small their land is in comparison to their population, it's hard to see that happening
Even Fash almost got crucified then and I remember some Yoruba people were the most critical of him especially those PDP retards playing politics with that matter then
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Mar 17, 2017 23:18:48 GMT
^^ "Our people" don't need to support it.
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Mar 18, 2017 6:29:36 GMT
Honorebu : I think I now understand where you're coming from. But I still believe the situation can get to a point where even public opinion would support such moves, irrespective of international 'outcry' (though that'll have to be in a sovereign Yoruba country). In fact, governments can cookup a thousand and one reasons why even legal immigrants can be eligible to be kicked out of a country (even if it means circumventing their own laws), let alone illegal ones (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britain-deports-100-people-on-charter-flight-including-gay-man-to-country-where-he-will-be-a7556676.html). There are already lots of precedents for this. The Ghanaian situation I referenced was one precedent. It happened simply because the Nigerian government was put under serious pressure by her own citizens who were by then blaming the Ghanaians (who were obviously illegally in the country as economic migrants due to the comatose state of their own economy during that period) for everything from rising crime, to stealing scarce jobs, and undercharging for services (it was widely believed that the Ghanaians were willing to accept below what an average Nigerian would accept for certain jobs at the time). All this really put the FG under enormous pressure (coupled with the fact that the country was in recession then too) to do something about it. Of course there was international outcry then as well, but Nigeria still pulled it off. Infact, Ghanaians actually started the trend of mass deportations of especially Nigerians in the early 70s. The funny thing is that while I lived in the U.S, I met a few of those Ghanaians that were deported from Naija back then, and while laughing over their fun experiences during their stay in Naija, they also expressed how they actually appreciated being sent back to their country in the 80s coz it was part of those deportees that helped to resuscitate their ailing economy. I've met Ghanaians who swear that Nigerians deliberately frustrate their people from setting up business in Naija. See www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/business/Ghanaians-fear-Nigerian-domination-of-economy-162249 Another precedent is still being set by the Kenyans. That country has a lot of Somali migrants fleeing their home country as a result of the civil war ravaging theirs, and amongst these migrants are Al-Shabbad (the dreaded terrorist group) moles who constantly carry out suicide bombings within Kenya. The Kenyan security regularly go on raids and deport hundreds of Somalis that they suspect to be security threats to their country. Ofcourse international bodies like the U.N, Human Rights Watch, etc always accuse the country of violating one international law or the other when it happens but Kenya doesn't care coz her national security and interests come first ( www.hrw.org/news/2014/04/11/kenya-halt-crackdown-somalis ). Incidentally, I was in Kenya when Al-Shabab carried out perhaps its most brazen attack yet on Kenyan soil when it attacked the upscale WestGate mall in 2013. Pakistan regularly deports Afghan refugees, amidst international 'outcry'. Ditto Algeria. Bottomline is that only a sovereign state can successfully pull it off as we can all agree, coz every country has an inalienable right to expel aliens from her territory. Also recall that the then Western Region Premier, SL Akintola, had modest success when he exploited his relationship/alliance with the central government in ensuring that Yorubas became VCs at UI and Unilag (the Yigbo VCs at those unis got there via Zik's political influence not because they were more qualified than the Yorubas). I read about how difficult it was for Akintola and his party to pull that off even then coz Zik and other Yigbo politicians (including some of their Yoruba supporters) made a very big deal out of it and didn't take it lightly at all, calling them bigots, tribalists and other expletives (so much so that a misguided Yoruba unilag student even stabbed Eni Njoku's replacement). But by and large, most Yorubas in the region were in support of Akintola's moves in that direction. The way I see it, it's as if the rest of the country prefers Yorubaland to be the 'One Nigeria' guinea pig where non-indigenes/natives are allowed to dominate the civil service and other demographics because we are a 'sophisticated' people, while other regions retain their ethnic integrity. That's not fair and shouldn't be allowed to happen.
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Post by Honorebu on Mar 18, 2017 12:10:49 GMT
Honorebu : I think I now understand where you're coming from. But I still believe the situation can get to a point where even public opinion would support such moves, irrespective of international 'outcry' (though that'll have to be in a sovereign Yoruba country). In fact, governments can cookup a thousand and one reasons why even legal immigrants can be eligible to be kicked out of a country (even if it means circumventing their own laws), let alone illegal ones (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britain-deports-100-people-on-charter-flight-including-gay-man-to-country-where-he-will-be-a7556676.html). There are already lots of precedents for this. The Ghanaian situation I referenced was one precedent. It happened simply because the Nigerian government was put under serious pressure by her own citizens who were by then blaming the Ghanaians (who were obviously illegally in the country as economic migrants due to the comatose state of their own economy during that period) for everything from rising crime, to stealing scarce jobs, and undercharging for services (it was widely believed that the Ghanaians were willing to accept below what an average Nigerian would accept for certain jobs at the time). All this really put the FG under enormous pressure (coupled with the fact that the country was in recession then too) to do something about it. Of course there was international outcry then as well, but Nigeria still pulled it off. Infact, Ghanaians actually started the trend of mass deportations of especially Nigerians in the early 70s. The funny thing is that while I lived in the U.S, I met a few of those Ghanaians that were deported from Naija back then, and while laughing over their fun experiences during their stay in Naija, they also expressed how they actually appreciated being sent back to their country in the 80s coz it was part of those deportees that helped to resuscitate their ailing economy. I've met Ghanaians who swear that Nigerians deliberately frustrate their people from setting up business in Naija. See www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/business/Ghanaians-fear-Nigerian-domination-of-economy-162249 Another precedent is still being set by the Kenyans. That country has a lot of Somali migrants fleeing their home country as a result of the civil war ravaging theirs, and amongst these migrants are Al-Shabbad (the dreaded terrorist group) moles who constantly carry out suicide bombings within Kenya. The Kenyan security regularly go on raids and deport hundreds of Somalis that they suspect to be security threats to their country. Ofcourse international bodies like the U.N, Human Rights Watch, etc always accuse the country of violating one international law or the other when it happens but Kenya doesn't care coz her national security and interests come first ( www.hrw.org/news/2014/04/11/kenya-halt-crackdown-somalis ). Incidentally, I was in Kenya when Al-Shabab carried out perhaps its most brazen attack yet on Kenyan soil when it attacked the upscale WestGate mall in 2013. Pakistan regularly deports Afghan refugees, amidst international 'outcry'. Ditto Algeria. Bottomline is that only a sovereign state can successfully pull it off as we can all agree, coz every country has an inalienable right to expel aliens from her territory. Also recall that the then Western Region Premier, SL Akintola, had modest success when he exploited his relationship/alliance with the central government in ensuring that Yorubas became VCs at UI and Unilag (the Yigbo VCs at those unis got there via Zik's political influence not because they were more qualified than the Yorubas). I read about how difficult it was for Akintola and his party to pull that off even then coz Zik and other Yigbo politicians (including some of their Yoruba supporters) made a very big deal out of it and didn't take it lightly at all, calling them bigots, tribalists and other expletives (so much so that a misguided Yoruba unilag student even stabbed Eni Njoku's replacement). But by and large, most Yorubas in the region were in support of Akintola's moves in that direction. The way I see it, it's as if the rest of the country prefers Yorubaland to be the 'One Nigeria' guinea pig where non-indigenes/natives are allowed to dominate the civil service and other demographics because we are a 'sophisticated' people, while other regions retain their ethnic integrity. That's not fair and shouldn't be allowed to happen. Lol..it's like you're reading my mind
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Mar 18, 2017 12:23:21 GMT
It is a sad situation really. But The Yorubas don't see all these things una dey talk about... If you talk to the average Yoruba person with any tone even remotely similar to what we are discussing on this thread, you would be tagged a tribalist and Yoruba supremacist before any of you both can blink your eyes.
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Post by Honorebu on Mar 18, 2017 17:44:57 GMT
It is a sad situation really. But The Yorubas don't see all these things una dey talk about... If you talk to the average Yoruba person with any tone even remotely similar to what we are discussing on this thread, you would be tagged a tribalist and Yoruba supremacist before any of you both can blink your eyes. Lol..like you said earlier, we here are on another level of consciousness. We aren't commoners. It will take some other people decades to start having deep thoughts about all these issues we chat here.
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Post by Honorebu on May 11, 2017 22:35:28 GMT
Ladies and gentlemen, IGR report is out.
I'll post it later when I get on PC.
Lagos and Ogun performed well as expected. Oyo improved on her 2015 IGR. Ondo and Osun neither progressing nor regressing
Ekiti is a big bag of poo. Even Borno and the other Northern states generated more than her
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