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Post by Her Highness on Feb 9, 2016 3:22:43 GMT
I've been thinking to myself, what would happen if Yorubas starts playing their game of politics of hatred and tribalism. I've been noticing that Yorubas are foolishly "liberal" when it comes to discussing any issues concerning other Nigerians, esp Ibos. Let's look at NL for an example. Have you noticed that any thread that paints Yorubas in positive light instantly degenerates into hateful comments by imbecilic flatheads. If the case were the opposite, Yorubas would applaud or stay away from the thread. It's affecting the Yoruba image in social media. Dig up Google for instance. "Yorubas are....". The recent assault is "YorubaDemons". We Yorubas are often on the defensive side, should we start Defending/Attacking. Should Yorubas reciprocate the media smear? Should Yorubas start playing politics of hatred and tribalism? Should we stop playing the politics of equality like every group in Nigeria? Your opinion? Shymmex, Interloper, iyalode, Moffy, OmoOba, Iya Niyen!, Omoluabi, dansoye1, Belmot, osoronga, Omo Oba of the Source, Her Highness, IrekeOnibudo, ioannes, laudate, oduabachanal, stblack, zaynie, ilaje2015, omohayek, AgbongboAkala, Ogbeni Ogunnaike, aparo, black, colonial pikin, skylar, cocoafarmer, missy89, ibk, Merchantt, lontoro, isalegangan, yorumigrant, ajanaku, sholeybanty, ayodejilara, oloyesaso, sakur, ritchiee, mignone, honeychild, Short_Biscuit, amorere, donphilosophy, governor, irewande, isholapecham, ola, olugbenga86, taiwo, loadofs, ijeshaboy, tomtoxic, imodoye, camronaija, ayekooto, dehinde, fado, scully95, tunde, ayo, omoba, tallwolleh, mankind, anago, egbaknight, oduastates, atandaniyi, ayxmania, omoolowokanbati, sapiodunamis, blaqcoffee109, fluteman, olukumi, sesinu,
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Post by Honorebu on Feb 9, 2016 3:40:07 GMT
Really GOOD!
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Post by Honorebu on Feb 9, 2016 3:53:49 GMT
The fire for fire hasn't taken us anywhere so I don't think it's necessary.Thank God we all saw the WAEC results, those are the issues we should be focusing on.We can always refute the lies they tell tho cos that's necessary so they don't mess up the psyche of our people
There's also the issue of IGR, Poverty in our states.The poor performance of some of our Governors
Me thinks we can attack Ebows once we solve these problems.For now, it's not necessary cos we won't gain anything from it and they're ahead of us in all these things I mentioned
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Feb 9, 2016 3:57:44 GMT
A lot of the time, I actually think the Yorubas as a whole find it hard to unite around a single ideology. One person will be saying something, another Yoruba will be saying another completely opposite thing .... from the same tribe o. Yoruba youth of the present generation are oblivious to the danger at their doorsteps , and think they have some kind of camaraderie in the Igbos, who in turn hate them behind closed doors... and these days even out in the open. Just Imagine if a place like Lagos had been in the East, Yoruba own for don finish for this Nigeria, because they won't be as Liberal or accepting.
The same people who say Lagos (a city that was Yoruba from scratch) is a 'no man's land" because a lot of other Nigerians now live in it, will in the same breath attempt to convert Port Harcourt, which is actually the multi-ethnic city from the start, comprising Ijaw (Okrika), Ogoni, Eleme, and Ikwerre lands to "Igwe-Ocha", to reflect some kind of Igbo ownership. Just so that they can say they "have" an economically important city in Igboland. ... All in all, some yorubas try too hard to please Hausas, because of religion, other try too hard to please Igbos.... for all kind of reasons, but many-a-times find it hard to rally around themselves for a common cause....... Deep ethnic politics of Hatred is something igbos and Hausa-Fulanis play so well to advance their respective national agendas..... A lot of the time, Yorubas just sit on the fence confused on what to do.
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Post by Her Highness on Feb 9, 2016 4:01:21 GMT
The fire for fire hasn't taken us anywhere so I don't think it's necessary.Thank God we all saw the WAEC results, those are the issues we should be focusing on.We can always refute the lies they tell tho cos that's necessary so they don't mess up the psyche of our people
There's also the issue of IGR, Poverty in our states.The poor performance of some of our Governors
Me thinks we can attack Ebows once we solve these problems.For now, it's not necessary cos we won't gain anything from it and they're ahead of us in all these things I mentioned
I get where you're coming from, but I disagree with you. Sure, we should focus on all these issues you brought up, but I think to start a politics of Interest in Yorubaland, we may have to go down this route. Someone (Omoheyk, I think) brought up the idea that Achebe's book (full of hatred/victimization) systematically rewired the Ibos to hate anything else that isn't presented in Ibo. By doing so, they're "developing". If everything is about Yoruba, for Yoruba and by Yoruba, we will start implementing actions that will see to our growth. We will support ourselves and want only the Yoruba development. Imagine a company that employs one Ibo. 5 years down the line, more than 50% of the compay's employees are now Ibo. It's not because they're more qualified. It's the same with the Asians and whites.
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Post by Her Highness on Feb 9, 2016 4:09:25 GMT
A lot of the time, I actually think the Yorubas as a whole find it hard to unite around a single ideology. One person will be saying something, another Yoruba will be saying another completely opposite thing .... from the same tribe o.Yoruba youth of the present generation are oblivious to the danger at their doorsteps , and think they have some kind of camaraderie in the Igbos, who in turn hate them behind closed doors... and these days even out in the open. Just Imagine if a place like Lagos had been in the East, Yoruba own for don finish for this Nigeria, because they won't be as Liberal or accepting. The same people who say Lagos (a city that was Yoruba from scratch) is a 'no man's land" because a lot of other Nigerians now live in it, will in the same breath attempt to convert Port Harcourt, which is actually the multi-ethnic city from the start, comprising Ijaw (Okrika), Ogoni, Eleme, and Ikwerre lands to "Igwe-Ocha", to reflect some kind of Igbo ownership. Just so that they can say they "have" an economically important city in Igboland. ... All in all, some yorubas try too hard to please Hausas, because of religion, other try too hard to please Igbos.... for all kind of reasons, but many-a-times find it hard to rally around themselves for a common cause....... Deep ethnic politics of Hatred is something igbos and Hausa-Fulanis play so well to advance their respective national agendas..... A lot of the time, Yorubas just sit on the fence confused on what to do.I tried looking for the perfect clap gif, alas...... you are marvelous! Thank you! Thank you! Let me add to this lovely piece... Honorebu, if we play a politics of hatred/tribalism, it'd be hard for foreign ideas to penetrate our unity/interest. We'd speak as one, with one voice, to our advantage or detriment, but we will speak with one voice. It's now scary that Yorubas are being psychologically wired and pressured by foreigners to think that Lagos is no man's land. Fashola's admin started with the nonsense by letting ibos claim that they own up to 60% of Lagos lands. I guess he wanted to do that to "bribe" their population in Lagos for an upcoming election. When will we stop playing liberal with our identity, lands, and future?
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Post by Honorebu on Feb 9, 2016 4:15:42 GMT
The fire for fire hasn't taken us anywhere so I don't think it's necessary.Thank God we all saw the WAEC results, those are the issues we should be focusing on.We can always refute the lies they tell tho cos that's necessary so they don't mess up the psyche of our people
There's also the issue of IGR, Poverty in our states.The poor performance of some of our Governors
Me thinks we can attack Ebows once we solve these problems.For now, it's not necessary cos we won't gain anything from it and they're ahead of us in all these things I mentioned
I get where you're coming from, but I disagree with you. Sure, we should focus on all these issues you brought up, but I think to start a politics of Interest in Yorubaland, we may have to go down this route. Someone (Omoheyk, I think) brought up the idea that Achebe's book (full of hatred/victimization) systematically rewired the Ibos to hate anything else that isn't presented in Ibo. By doing so, they're "developing". If everything is about Yoruba, for Yoruba and by Yoruba, we will start implementing actions that will see to our growth. We will support ourselves and want only the Yoruba development. Imagine a company that employs one Ibo. 5 years down the line, more than 50% of the compay's employees are now Ibo. It's not because they're more qualified. It's the same with the Asians and whites. Lol but the hatred has always been mutual.We hate them and they hate us.It's not one-sided.There are some Ibos who do the same thing those Yorubas you're talking about do even tho we have more dumbos
Yes Achebe said all of that and that's why I said we can always refute the lies they tell themselves
Per the last paragraph, I know some Yorubas who never employ Ibos and vice versa.
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Post by Her Highness on Feb 9, 2016 4:20:19 GMT
How many liberals are on each side?
Why is it that you'd find more Yorubas defending others than you'd find others defending Yorubas during attacks?
Gosh every time I think of the "Yoruba liberals", I think of afonja.
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Post by Honorebu on Feb 9, 2016 4:31:35 GMT
How many liberals are on each side? Why is it that you'd find more Yorubas defending others than you'd find others defending Yorubas during attacks? Gosh every time I think of the "Yoruba liberals", I think of afonja. That's the issue and what we should be thinking about is how to convert these liberals to Pro-Yorubas.Hating Ebows won't solve any of our issues.A lot of us here hate ebows.Did that stop Oyo state from performing woefully in the last WAEC?
I don't like Ebows but after seeing all these things happening in Yorubaland,I've stopped caring about them and I just want them to go.The only thing I think about is our own progress
Concerning the reason, Maaan I'll say it's both ways even tho the liberal Ebows will rather not say anything than air their views.The problem is our own liberals talk too much.That's the difference
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Post by Her Highness on Feb 9, 2016 4:40:32 GMT
How many liberals are on each side? Why is it that you'd find more Yorubas defending others than you'd find others defending Yorubas during attacks? Gosh every time I think of the "Yoruba liberals", I think of afonja. That's the issue and what we should be thinking about is how to convert these liberals to Pro-Yorubas.Hating Ebows won't solve any of our issues.A lot of us here hate ebows.Did that stop Oyo state from performing woefully in the last WAEC?
I don't like Ebows but after seeing all these things happening in Yorubaland,I've stopped caring about them and I just want them to go.The only thing I think about is our own progress
Concerning the reason, Maaan I'll say it's both ways even tho the liberal Ebows will rather not say anything than air their views.The problem is our own liberals talk too much.That's the difference If we can turn our politics of hatred and tribalism into finding solutions for only Yorubas, then I think it will work. i.e investing in Yoruba education so that we can dominate the education sector. Or Investing in only Yoruba businesses so that we can dominate in that area too. We don't have to sit idle while we're supporting the Yoruba interest. I'm sure once we start thinking of solutions, somewhere along the way, afonjas will wanna include other Nigerians. @ the bold.
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Post by Honorebu on Feb 9, 2016 4:57:02 GMT
That's the issue and what we should be thinking about is how to convert these liberals to Pro-Yorubas.Hating Ebows won't solve any of our issues.A lot of us here hate ebows.Did that stop Oyo state from performing woefully in the last WAEC?
I don't like Ebows but after seeing all these things happening in Yorubaland,I've stopped caring about them and I just want them to go.The only thing I think about is our own progress
Concerning the reason, Maaan I'll say it's both ways even tho the liberal Ebows will rather not say anything than air their views.The problem is our own liberals talk too much.That's the difference If we can turn our politics of hatred and tribalism into finding solutions for only Yorubas, then I think it will work. i.e investing in Yoruba education so that we can dominate the education sector. Or Investing in only Yoruba businesses so that we can dominate in that area too. We don't have to sit idle while we're supporting the Yoruba interest. I'm sure once we start thinking of solutions, somewhere along the way, afonjas will wanna include other Nigerians. @ the bold. Ehen now we're talking! Our own progress is what matters and how we can get Yorubas thinking about Yoruba progress.Look at this forum, we have just 81 members. It's not like they aren't aware ooo, they just don't care.Some of our people are just pathetic
Abi na we too dey form defender.We go dey claim Nesta .Look at our Ekiti uncle for example, you'd think he's the only person God gave mouth in that PDP even tho there are other PDP governors
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Post by Her Highness on Feb 9, 2016 5:03:03 GMT
If we can turn our politics of hatred and tribalism into finding solutions for only Yorubas, then I think it will work. i.e investing in Yoruba education so that we can dominate the education sector. Or Investing in only Yoruba businesses so that we can dominate in that area too. We don't have to sit idle while we're supporting the Yoruba interest. I'm sure once we start thinking of solutions, somewhere along the way, afonjas will wanna include other Nigerians. @ the bold. Ehen now we're talking! Our own progress is what matters and how we can get Yorubas thinking about Yoruba progress.Look at this forum, we have just 81 members. It's not like they aren't aware ooo, they just don't care.Some of our people are just pathetic
Abi na we too dey form defender.We go dey claim Nesta .Look at our Ekiti uncle for example, you'd think he's the only person God gave mouth in that PDP even tho there are other PDP governors
Yea, I think at this point, the only way we can get there is through a politics of tribalism and hatred. Even if we're psychologically liberal, can't we just shut it and support ourselves? Why is it that when anyone refers to that toe bunion called Fayose in a Yoruba unity conversation, I turn homicidal. If you like, refer to Alao Akala, Doyin Okupe or Satan himself. Just don't refer to Fayose.
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Post by Honorebu on Feb 9, 2016 5:11:05 GMT
Ehen now we're talking! Our own progress is what matters and how we can get Yorubas thinking about Yoruba progress.Look at this forum, we have just 81 members. It's not like they aren't aware ooo, they just don't care.Some of our people are just pathetic
Abi na we too dey form defender.We go dey claim Nesta .Look at our Ekiti uncle for example, you'd think he's the only person God gave mouth in that PDP even tho there are other PDP governors
Yea, I think at this point, the only way we can get there is through a politics of tribalism and hatred. Even if we're psychologically liberal, can't we just shut it and support ourselves? Why is it that when anyone refers to that toe bunion called Fayose in a Yoruba unity conversation, I turn homicidal. If you like, refer to Alao Akala, Doyin Okupe or Satan himself. Just don't refer to Fayose. Eeeehn but the hatred is already there na.It's not strange at all.Like I said I know a lot of Yorubas who don't employ Ebows.
And besides we can achieve all we need to achieve without even thinking about Ebows at all
I think we're confusing being Pro-Yoruba with hatred of Ibos.They are 2 different things
You can hate Ebows and still not be concerned about Yoruba progress.
Wo.Let's not stress ourselves.We'll just keep going back and forth lol but I'm sure you get my point sha
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Post by Her Highness on Feb 9, 2016 5:13:10 GMT
Yea, I think at this point, the only way we can get there is through a politics of tribalism and hatred. Even if we're psychologically liberal, can't we just shut it and support ourselves? Why is it that when anyone refers to that toe bunion called Fayose in a Yoruba unity conversation, I turn homicidal. If you like, refer to Alao Akala, Doyin Okupe or Satan himself. Just don't refer to Fayose. Eeeehn but the hatred is already there na.It's not strange at all.Like I said I know a lot of Yorubas who don't employ Ebows.
And besides we can achieve all we need to achieve without even thinking about Ebows at all
I think we're confusing being Pro-Yoruba with hatred of Ibos.They are 2 different things
You can hate Ebows and still not be concerned about Yoruba progress.
Wo.Let's not stress ourselves.We'll just keep going back and forth lol but I'm sure you get my point shaI get your point, though I disagree with some. Lol let's agree to disagree.
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Post by Iya Niyen! on Feb 9, 2016 7:24:04 GMT
Eeeehn but the hatred is already there na.It's not strange at all.Like I said I know a lot of Yorubas who don't employ Ebows.
And besides we can achieve all we need to achieve without even thinking about Ebows at all
I think we're confusing being Pro-Yoruba with hatred of Ibos.They are 2 different things
You can hate Ebows and still not be concerned about Yoruba progress.
Wo.Let's not stress ourselves.We'll just keep going back and forth lol but I'm sure you get my point sha I get your point, though I disagree with some. Lol let's agree to disagree. Aare is telling you the truth, the Yeeboes get shafted on the regular, only difference is that Yorubas don't fight them much online... Also, we can't leave Leprosy & be running helter skelter for ringworm medicine!!! Development & reawakening of the yoruba identity is more important here & now than all out open season war with other people whose main source of joy is raining on one's parade.. Yorubas are natural "diplomats" so they are not prone to spewing irrational invectives but the yeeboes get it with extras in REAL LIFE.. Personally, I'm more concerned with correcting misconceptions, demolishing faulty arguments /positions & refuting outright lies than exchanging words which is what most of these olori pelebes love.. Full Disclosure; I have few Ibo Friends that are sane, maybe it's cos they were raised in the SW & their parents have immersed themselves in the culture.... I know about the DEEP SEATED EMOTION thing we keep talking about when we discuss them but humans aren't perfect, we have our own shortcomings as well.... Majority are still persona non grata to me cos of their major "extraness" !!!
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