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Post by Her Highness on Jul 13, 2016 2:51:32 GMT
How is a Fulani emir allowed to dethrone or demote a Yoruba king? The audacity. This makes no sense whatsoever to me. WTF? uuuurrrrm.... you are not getting it. The Emir is claiming that the Oba of Jebba is under his control, while the Oba of Jebba is asserting his and his peoples' independence from the Ilorin stool which itself is another stooge of Sokoto. So now he is forming "deranking"/"disowning" or whatever. the Emir of Ilorin is the traditional chairman of the Kwara state traditional rulers' council , so that was why he could do that, coupled with state political links and northern backing. In short words, no matter how sweet you try to put it, Yorubas are playing second fiddle in their own state. It still makes no sense to me that Yorubas should adhere to any traditional ruler council headed by a minority in the state that belongs to them. Aboki chairman or not.
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Jul 13, 2016 2:52:39 GMT
Who is "They".. that was the handiwork of the British who always favored anything northern/islamic over anything southern, not our people. Interesting. I've been thinking the boundary was a new one. I read somewhere about Kwarans agitating to merge with the SW. That died down. The boundary new ke? It was never new o, Kwara state has always been in the Northern protectorate since Nigeria's colonization. Do you even know there are still two ethnic Ekiti dominated local governments in Kwara state? they are Ekiti and Oke Ero LGAs. Even Otun Ekiti was once in the North before the boundary was shifted and it became part of the old Ekiti division of the defunct province,
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Post by Her Highness on Jul 13, 2016 2:55:39 GMT
Interesting. I've been thinking the boundary was a new one. I read somewhere about Kwarans agitating to merge with the SW. That died down. The boundary new ke? It was never new o, Kwara state has always been in the Northern protectorate since Nigeria's colonization. Do you even know there are still two ethnic Ekiti dominated local governments in Kwara state? they are Ekiti and Oke Ero LGAs. Even Otun Ekiti was once in the North before the boundary was shifted and it became part of the old Ekiti division of the defunct province, I know. I still have families there. My grandma told me we used to travel to Kwara a lot when I was a kid. I hear "Otun" a lot from families. So why can't we agitate for another shift? Kwara - SW?
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Jul 13, 2016 2:57:35 GMT
The boundary new ke? It was never new o, Kwara state has always been in the Northern protectorate since Nigeria's colonization. Do you even know there are still two ethnic Ekiti dominated local governments in Kwara state? they are Ekiti and Oke Ero LGAs. Even Otun Ekiti was once in the North before the boundary was shifted and it became part of the old Ekiti division of the defunct province, I know. I still have families there. My grandma told me we used to travel to Kwara a lot when I was a kid. I hear "Otun" a lot from families. So why can't we agitate for another shift? Kwara - SW? because you can't move all of Kwara to SW. Only parts of it can become SW. The parts that fully identify as Yoruba. These are Mostly the Igbominas and Ekitis. Don't know about Ilorin Metropolis.
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Post by Her Highness on Jul 13, 2016 3:00:33 GMT
I know. I still have families there. My grandma told me we used to travel to Kwara a lot when I was a kid. I hear "Otun" a lot from families. So why can't we agitate for another shift? Kwara - SW? because you can't move all of Kwara to SW. Only parts of it can become SW. The parts that fully identify as Yoruba. These are Mostly the Igbominas and Ekitis. Don't know about Ilorin Metropolis. Move the movable. If Fulanis like, let them be landlocked, but Kwara shouldn't be part of the North.
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Post by Belmot on Jul 13, 2016 5:21:34 GMT
because you can't move all of Kwara to SW. Only parts of it can become SW. The parts that fully identify as Yoruba. These are Mostly the Igbominas and Ekitis. Don't know about Ilorin Metropolis. Move the movable. If Fulanis like, let them be landlocked, but Kwara shouldn't be part of the North. It's complicated
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Jul 13, 2016 5:49:14 GMT
What is 80% and 20%?? This crisis is not a new one, and the Emir of Ilorin has always tried to suppress the traditional Obaship of Jebba even demoting him to a third class king. At a time he was completely deranked, and didn't even rank in the state. So it's not as if the emire just recently "disowned" him... whatever that means, it is even better he is disowned. He won't give in anything. He isn't the only Oba in Kwara state, so it's not even like he will be alone in this. Why will he give in. How is a Fulani emir allowed to dethrone or demote a Yoruba king? The audacity. This makes no sense whatsoever to me. WTF? The bastard emir has always ridden on Northern political influence to perpetuate and even attempt to expand his jurisdiction within that state. I recall reading that Awolowo tried but failed to have the present day Yoruba speaking parts of Kwara and Kogi included as part of the then Western Region thanks to the Fulani/sokoto caliphate's hegemonic influence with colonial masters who drew the borders. It's obvious that the Fulani emirate has managed to survive for this long in that part of Yorubaland thanks in part to the support it enjoys amongst a certain class of brainwashed, shameless, and slavish Yoruba saboteurs. This is in spite of relentless efforts by some Yorubas (especially Afonja's family/descendants) to reclaim the traditional rulership of ilorin. The overwhelming influence of the sokoto/fulani caliphate in Nigeria politics and its moral and political support for the perpetuation of the ilorin emirate is the real reason why the emirate still exists in that state. Besides, apart from ilorin, most other parts of Yoruba-speaking kwara indigenes don't recognize nor acknowledge the emirate's traditional rulership over them. It'll be interesting to see what will become the fate of ilorin in the event of Nigeria's disintegration coz the fulanis have already made it clear that they'll be willing to spill blood to retain it. Personally, I would not have mind ceding it to them due to the ignoble and shameful part it played in our rich history but for the fact that it would be too much of an insult and strategic blunder to have a Fulani-controlled enclave so close to our frontiers/borders as an independent nation. For that reason I would support a total and absolute expunging of every vestige of that system in that area. It's either that part of Yorubaland would be ceded to the North (which I would consider to be a catastrophic development) to avoid confrontation with the North over a comparatively small fulani emirate that is overwhelmingly surrounded by Yoruba-speakers, or Yorubas will just have to be willing to fight to reclaim that city.
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Jul 13, 2016 6:19:29 GMT
How is a Fulani emir allowed to dethrone or demote a Yoruba king? The audacity. This makes no sense whatsoever to me. WTF? The bastard emir has always ridden on Northern political influence to perpetuate and even attempt to expand his jurisdiction within that state. I recall reading that Awolowo tried but failed to have the present day Yoruba speaking parts of Kwara and Kogi included as part of the then Western Region thanks to the Fulani/sokoto caliphate's hegemonic influence with colonial masters who drew the borders. It's obvious that the Fulani emirate has managed to survive for this long in that part of Yorubaland thanks in part to the support it enjoys amongst a certain class of brainwashed, shameless, and slavish Yoruba saboteurs. This is in spite of relentless efforts by some Yorubas (especially Afonja's family/descendants) to reclaim the traditional rulership of ilorin. The overwhelming influence of the sokoto/fulani caliphate in Nigeria politics and its moral and political support for the perpetuation of the ilorin emirate is the real reason why the emirate still exists in that state. Besides, apart from ilorin, most other parts of Yoruba-speaking kwara indigenes don't recognize nor acknowledge the emirate's traditional rulership over them. It'll be interesting to see what will become the fate of ilorin in the event of Nigeria's disintegration coz the fulanis have already made it clear that they'll be willing to spill blood to retain it. Personally, I would not have mind ceding it to them due to the ignoble and shameful part it played in our rich history but for the fact that it would be too much of an insult and strategic blunder to have a Fulani-controlled enclave so close to our frontiers/borders as an independent nation. For that reason I would support a total and absolute expunging of every vestige of that system in that area. It's either that part of Yorubaland would be ceded to the North (which I would consider to be a catastrophic development) to avoid confrontation with the North over a comparatively small fulani emirate that is overwhelmingly surrounded by Yoruba-speakers, or Yorubas will just have to be willing to fight to reclaim that city. It will be interesting indeed. That is why if Nigeria is to breakup, we all have to make sure a popular referendum is the way it is done by. In that way, Ilorin will fall into the West, no doubts. Option 2 : If option 1 does not work, Since the North will be totally landlocked in an eventual Nigerian breakup, we can dangle a tiny portion of the Coast (like 10km of seafront) on a 100 yr lease to them in return for the city and its environs. Similar to how Hong-Kong was British for 100 years. Option 3: Court Western and Global Powers to regain control of the City. Option 4: Fight for the control of the city. Blood for Blood. But this would be hard, since there are Yoruba brainwashed traitors who have an identity crisis, or who think being in the NC automatically makes them non-Yoruba, amongst our midst. The best time for an attack would be when the Northerners are engaged on two fronts, a Western and an Eastern one.
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Jul 13, 2016 7:04:26 GMT
The bastard emir has always ridden on Northern political influence to perpetuate and even attempt to expand his jurisdiction within that state. I recall reading that Awolowo tried but failed to have the present day Yoruba speaking parts of Kwara and Kogi included as part of the then Western Region thanks to the Fulani/sokoto caliphate's hegemonic influence with colonial masters who drew the borders. It's obvious that the Fulani emirate has managed to survive for this long in that part of Yorubaland thanks in part to the support it enjoys amongst a certain class of brainwashed, shameless, and slavish Yoruba saboteurs. This is in spite of relentless efforts by some Yorubas (especially Afonja's family/descendants) to reclaim the traditional rulership of ilorin. The overwhelming influence of the sokoto/fulani caliphate in Nigeria politics and its moral and political support for the perpetuation of the ilorin emirate is the real reason why the emirate still exists in that state. Besides, apart from ilorin, most other parts of Yoruba-speaking kwara indigenes don't recognize nor acknowledge the emirate's traditional rulership over them. It'll be interesting to see what will become the fate of ilorin in the event of Nigeria's disintegration coz the fulanis have already made it clear that they'll be willing to spill blood to retain it. Personally, I would not have mind ceding it to them due to the ignoble and shameful part it played in our rich history but for the fact that it would be too much of an insult and strategic blunder to have a Fulani-controlled enclave so close to our frontiers/borders as an independent nation. For that reason I would support a total and absolute expunging of every vestige of that system in that area. It's either that part of Yorubaland would be ceded to the North (which I would consider to be a catastrophic development) to avoid confrontation with the North over a comparatively small fulani emirate that is overwhelmingly surrounded by Yoruba-speakers, or Yorubas will just have to be willing to fight to reclaim that city. It will be interesting indeed. That is why if Nigeria is to breakup, we all have to make sure a popular referendum is the way it is done by. In that way, Ilorin will fall into the West, no doubts. Option 2 : If option 1 does not work, Since the North will be totally landlocked in an eventual Nigerian breakup, we can dangle a tiny portion of the Coast (like 10km of seafront) on a 100 yr lease to them in return for the city and its environs. Similar to how Hong-Kong was British for 100 years. Option 3: Court Western and Global Powers to regain control of the City. Option 4: Fight for the control of the city. Blood for Blood. But this would be hard, since there are Yoruba brainwashed traitors who have an identity crisis, or who think being in the NC automatically makes them non-Yoruba, amongst our midst. The best time for an attack would be when the Northerners are engaged on two fronts, a Western and an Eastern one. Spot on. I remember once reading a Fulani guy boldly declaring on Nairaland that the Yorubas should be willing to fight another war to regain control of the city, that since it was won by them via war only a rematch would legitimately change its fate. I was flabbergasted at his audacity. But it gave me a glimpse of how uphill a task it might be to retake the city. Btw, bro, Asari Dokubo has started his madness again o. This time he's claiming that the recently discovered Lagos oil actually belongs to Bayelsa and Delta state. I know you are good with maps and stuff like that so I was wondering if you have any such evidence that can shut that fool up. Here is the link to the thread on NL (as you can imagine the Ipobs are already running amok): www.nairaland.com/3223244/stop-provoking-us-there-no
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Post by Belmot on Jul 13, 2016 18:11:54 GMT
What is 80% and 20%?? This crisis is not a new one, and the Emir of Ilorin has always tried to suppress the traditional Obaship of Jebba even demoting him to a third class king. At a time he was completely deranked, and didn't even rank in the state. So it's not as if the emire just recently "disowned" him... whatever that means, it is even better he is disowned. He won't give in anything. He isn't the only Oba in Kwara state, so it's not even like he will be alone in this. Why will he give in. How is a Fulani emir allowed to dethrone or demote a Yoruba king? The audacity. This makes no sense whatsoever to me. WTF? That emir of ilorin is actually yoruba even though he denies it just like other ilorin folks... Can't recall his full name for now. Ibrahim Afolabi sulu gambari or something like that, but he doesn't add the afolabi to his name any longer.
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Post by Her Highness on Jul 13, 2016 18:15:41 GMT
How is a Fulani emir allowed to dethrone or demote a Yoruba king? The audacity. This makes no sense whatsoever to me. WTF? That emir of ilorin is actually yoruba even though he denies it just like other ilorin folks... Can't recall his full name for now. Ibrahim Afolabi sulu gambari or something like that, but he doesn't add the afolabi to his name any longer. Useless brainwashed midgets.
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Post by Her Highness on Jul 13, 2016 18:16:10 GMT
They sell themselves because of northern political power.
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Post by Belmot on Jul 13, 2016 18:28:25 GMT
That emir of ilorin is actually yoruba even though he denies it just like other ilorin folks... Can't recall his full name for now. Ibrahim Afolabi sulu gambari or something like that, but he doesn't add the afolabi to his name any longer. Useless brainwashed midgets. There are so many of them in ilorin... I saw the emir in 2013 after juma'at prayer during sallah celebration and the launching of the new central mosque. A beautiful mosque surrounded by a very dirty market.
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Post by Her Highness on Jul 13, 2016 18:31:04 GMT
Useless brainwashed midgets. There are so many of them in ilorin... I saw the emir in 2013 after juma'at prayer during sallah celebration and the launching of the new central mosque. A beautiful mosque surrounded by a very dirty market. Do you live in Kwara? It would be nice to conduct a research.....ask people what they classify themselves; Yoruba or Fulani. And why. I know one Kwaran Yoruba who still classifies himself as Yoruba, but as Northern Yoruba. Whatever the fuck that means.
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Post by Belmot on Jul 13, 2016 18:47:37 GMT
There are so many of them in ilorin... I saw the emir in 2013 after juma'at prayer during sallah celebration and the launching of the new central mosque. A beautiful mosque surrounded by a very dirty market. Do you live in Kwara? It would be nice to conduct a research.....ask people what they classify themselves; Yoruba or Fulani. And why. I know one Kwaran Yoruba who still classifies himself as Yoruba, but as Northern Yoruba. Whatever the fuck that means. I don't stay in kwara. But I do visit there sometimes, I don't think I'll go back there again. That city is too dull. Are you referring to that nairaland guy Jarus?
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