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Post by omohayek on Jun 11, 2016 11:59:54 GMT
iyalode , Moffy , OmoOba , Iya Niyen! , Omoluabi , dansoye1 , Belmot , osoronga , Omo Oba of the Source , Her Highness , IrekeOnibudo , ioannes , laudate , oduabachanal , AgbongboAkala , Ogbeni Ogunnaike , colonial pikin , ajanaku , Short_Biscuit , ijeshaboy , tomtoxic , scully95 , egbaknight , oduastates , olukumi , Sometimes good things come from the strangest places. In the course of going through the ridiculous Nairaland thread in which Akpabio blamed the South-West for disturbances in the rest of the country, I discovered this video in which an Igbo lady raised a very good question, one I have not seen the IPOB boys even try to give an answer to. www.facebook.com/naijagbedu1/videos/1006085909434119/The question is this: supposing Biafran independence were to magically be granted some day, what would come the morning after? After all the jubilation about being "free" has died down, how exactly would the Biafrans use their new freedom to make life better than they had it in Nigeria? Who would rule the country, and how would that person be chosen? What would the political system be like? What about the economic policy? What sort of development plans would be in place for the short, medium and long term? What would the Biafran foreign policy agenda look like? If there's somewhere the IPOB youths have been carrying out discussions on such topics, I have yet to find it; they seem to content themselves with merely blaming and insulting "Yorobbers" and "Foolanis" for all of their problems, rather than thinking of any concrete solutions for their difficulties. Yet if one looks at those independence movements which have given birth to successful nations, one will discover that a tremendous amount of prior discussion and intellectual groundwork has gone into laying the foundations for the developments of the states. This is very clear by looking at, for example, the United States, where the discussions of what shape the union should take have been immortalized in the Federalist and anti-Federalist papers. Going through these essays by America's founding fathers, what stands out is that just how carefully the design of the American government was put together, how the discussion of what shape it ought to take was animated by universalist principles, rather than mere parochial self-interest, and how much care was taken to build a system of government that would endure in the face of human weakness, instead of pretending that patriotic idealism would magically abolish all conflicts of interest. Even with those countries like Australia and Canada which do not have America's history of constitutional deliberation in their progress to independence, the cultural, historical and legal inheritance they received from Britain meant that they had all of British constitutional history to fall back on, and the process of switching from being "British overseas" to being "Australian"/"Canadian" was a very gradual, almost imperceptible one. What changes there have been in these two countries from the British way of doing things has mostly been to adopt a few American practices regarding federalism, reflecting the vastness of the two countries in question. What has never been in dispute in any of the former British "dominions" is that the original British principles of law, government and economics should continue to prevail. Now, you may be tempted to ask "Why should we care that the IPOB/MASSOB agitators have shown no interest in doing any of the hard thinking about how to build a better country than the one they currently find themselves in?" My answer to this is that their way of going about things is a surefire recipe for failure, and if/when they are granted the secession they claim to want, the new Biafran state will be a total failure; I can say this with certainty because they have not built the necessary foundations for anything else, and none of them seem to have the slightest clue that doing so is even necessary, from "Dilector" down to the jobless youths on the street who allow themselves to be slaughtered by the Nigerian army. The very first thing that will happen in any new Biafran state is that a civil war will break out as different factions struggle to rule the roost, and the ordinary Biafrans picking sides based on nothing more than whether this one is from Anambra, that one is from Onitsha, or that other fellow is Mbaise/Ngwa/blah blah blah. In short, Biafra will be another South Sudan. As frustrating as it may be for us on this forum sometimes, when we suggest new ideas to improve education, agriculture or something else, only to run into the Nigerian realities that make many of such proposals impractical, at least we are thinking constructively about making such positive changes; we aren't simply wasting our time feeling sorry for ourselves and blaming a conspiracy of everyone else against us for our failings. Above all else, this difference in attitude from the "Biafrans" is why I am so confident that we would be the only part of the country that would actually thrive if Nigeria were ever to be dissolved.
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Post by olukumi on Jun 11, 2016 13:32:31 GMT
I was just thinking the same thing yesterday (last paragraph). The so called sophistication we all laugh about is actually a thing. We are an advanced group with continued civilization and those advantages are still apparent in the way we conduct our affairs as a group.
If you separate Ibibio, Anang, Efik and the other cross rivers and Akwa Ibom tribes from Niger delta and Biafra. The new independent states will go to civil war and internal strife from day one. Unfortunately, that's refugee crisis for the SW. Sigh!
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Post by ajanaku on Jun 11, 2016 14:09:36 GMT
Omo, I laff taya for that "Akpabio" thread yesterday. Kudos to the Yoruba e-warriors on that thread, particularly one Nigger with the moniker "hundredhundred". Our own Shymmex too was there remolding the flat heads of our SE "brothers" with e-chisels and e-hammers... On a more serious note, I see nothing wrong with the increased agitation for Biafra among some Igbos, not with the marginalization of their region over the years, the seemingly impossible Igbo presidency and the very careless and insensitive 5%/97% statement by PMB. Well, I think the faults lie in the way the Biafra agitators go about it and the indifference on the part of their elites. Nigeria's permanent representative to the UN, Professor Joy Ogwu is an Igbo woman and I doubt she's in support of an Igbo Nation. She could have easily submitted a request for a Biafra Nation to the UN. I also doubt if Niggers like Ifeanyi Uba, Cosmas Maduka, Orji Uzor Kalu, Jim Ovia, Peter Obi, et al would want to be non-citizens in Lagos considering their huge investments in the state... At times, I feel for the flat heads sha.
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Post by Honorebu on Jun 11, 2016 14:52:25 GMT
They have no blueprint, no think-tank groups
DAWN has a proper, well-designed blue-print of how Yorubas will run their economy in a regional state or a separate nation
That's how you know Yorubas are forward-thinking despite this disasters we are facing in form of governors
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Post by omohayek on Jun 11, 2016 14:56:15 GMT
Omo, I laff taya for that "Akpabio" thread yesterday. Kudos to the Yoruba e-warriors on that thread, particularly one Nigger with the moniker "hundredhundred". Our own Shymmex too was there remolding the flat heads of our SE "brothers" with e-chisels and e-hammers... On a more serious note, I see nothing wrong with the increased agitation for Biafra among some Igbos, not with the marginalization of their region over the years, the seemingly impossible Igbo presidency and the very careless and insensitive 5%/97% statement by PMB. Well, I think the faults lie in the way the Biafra agitators go about it and the indifference on the part of their elites. Nigeria's permanent representative to the UN, Professor Joy Ogwu is an Igbo woman and I doubt she's in support of an Igbo Nation. She could have easily submitted a request for a Biafra Nation to the UN. I also doubt if Niggers like Ifeanyi Uba, Cosmas Maduka, Orji Uzor Kalu, Jim Ovia, Peter Obi, et al would want to be non-citizens in Lagos considering their huge investments in the state... At times, I feel for the flat heads sha. Ah, but who is really to blame for this situation but they themselves? The Igbo masses refuse to hold the their elites to account, and when one of "their own" is accused of corruption by non-Igbos or the government, they never waste time to defend the crooks with nonsense like "na my person!", "witch hunt!" and "leave our son/daughter alone!". Look at how they always come out in force to attack critics of Alison Madueke and Stella Oduah, even when it's just someone pointing out the horrible job Oduah did with Enugu "International" airport. From the way these people defend Oduah's terrible work, you'd think it was Yoruba and Hausa-Fulani people who needed that airport the most! The strangest thing of all is that when it comes to defending thieves, these people don't even mind when the crook isn't Igbo, and they'll be the ones to turn up to protest even when the accused is being stoned by his or her kinsmen - just look at Ohaneze and Bukola Saraki ... It's the same attitude towards crime that drives the rich among them to prefer investing in Lagos than back home, where they have to always worry about the threat of kidnapping. The only thing a Biafran state will excel at is in fostering international criminal rings.
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Post by ajanaku on Jun 11, 2016 15:50:45 GMT
omohayek, you are correct! The flat headed ones just can't play opposition objectively and their "Na our son/daughter" mentality is just too annoying. That's why the Yorubas stand out. We know how to chastise our own when they fuck up! A part of me actually loves the fact that some Yorubas like Fayose have been criticizing the Buhari-led administration. The "toutish" Governor has been excessive in that regard sha. I also find it cool that the new PDP spokesman is a Yoruba too - Dayo Adeyeye. I think it's good to be at both ends of the divide. It pays in the long run... Oodua a gbe wa o...
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Jun 11, 2016 18:28:28 GMT
IMO, the mere fact that the Biafrans are seriously seeking to include the violent, unstable and highly temperamental Ijaws and wider SS in their utopian dreamland is enough evidence that they are clueless and are on a sure path to failure. The extent of violence that will engulf such a country, if it's to ever come go fruition, would be unprecedented in African history.
I am kinda glad that they're agitating though coz we can't continue deceiving ourselves that we will develop as a country under the current structure and system. Yorubas have tried and failed in the past in the efforts to change the system while the igbos looked the other way and were busy fraternizing with the Northern power brokers. If they (along with the ijaw/ND militants) can sustain or even escalate the tempo of their agitation for long enough to force the Northerners to see the imperative of a renegotiation of our union then Yorubaland will be the better for it.
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Post by Honorebu on Jun 11, 2016 18:39:27 GMT
IMO, the mere fact that the Biafrans are seriously seeking to include the violent, unstable and highly temperamental Ijaws and wider SS into their utopian dreamland is enough evidence that they are clueless and are on a sure path to failure. The extent of violence that will engulf such a country, if it's to ever come to fruition, would be unprecedented in African history. I am kinda glad that they're agitating though coz we can't continue deceiving ourselves that we will develop as a country under the current structure and system. Yorubas have tried and failed in the past to change the system while the igbos looked the other way and were busy fraternizing with the Northern power brokers. If they (along with the ijaw/ND militants) can sustain or even escalate the tempo of their agitation for long enough to force the Northerners to see the imperative of a renegotiation of our union then Yorubaland will be the better for it. You know a Biafra that will include Ijaws is my ultimate wish But then again, Yorubaland will keep suffering from influx of people who have destroyed their region You need to see the number of Northerners who migrated to Oyo state during the Boko Haram perios It's not looking really good plus I foresee a war-torn, messed up Niger delta in the future
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Jun 11, 2016 18:50:58 GMT
IMO, the mere fact that the Biafrans are seriously seeking to include the violent, unstable and highly temperamental Ijaws and wider SS into their utopian dreamland is enough evidence that they are clueless and are on a sure path to failure. The extent of violence that will engulf such a country, if it's to ever come to fruition, would be unprecedented in African history. I am kinda glad that they're agitating though coz we can't continue deceiving ourselves that we will develop as a country under the current structure and system. Yorubas have tried and failed in the past to change the system while the igbos looked the other way and were busy fraternizing with the Northern power brokers. If they (along with the ijaw/ND militants) can sustain or even escalate the tempo of their agitation for long enough to force the Northerners to see the imperative of a renegotiation of our union then Yorubaland will be the better for it. You know a Biafra that will include Ijaws is my ultimate wish But then again, Yorubaland will keep suffering from influx of people who have destroyed their region You need to see the number of Northerners who migrated to Oyo state during the Boko Haram perios It's not looking really good plus I foresee a war-torn, messed up Niger delta in the future Bro, in the event that they come into our Yoruba country as refugees, the scenario would be totally different from what obtains presently coz then they would be foreigners in our country and treated as such; they would be camped in a remote part of the country, and would require official permission to leave their camp -- sort of like the way Liberian refugees were treated in Nigeria during their civil war. I eagerly look forward to such a time. Lol.
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Post by Honorebu on Jun 11, 2016 18:54:46 GMT
You know a Biafra that will include Ijaws is my ultimate wish But then again, Yorubaland will keep suffering from influx of people who have destroyed their region You need to see the number of Northerners who migrated to Oyo state during the Boko Haram perios It's not looking really good plus I foresee a war-torn, messed up Niger delta in the future Bro, in the event that they come into our Yoruba country as refugees, the scenario would be totally different from what obtains presently coz then they would be foreigners in our country and treated as such; they would be camped in a remote part of the country, and would require official permission to leave their camp -- sort of like the way Liberian refugees were treated in Nigeria during their civil war. I eagerly look forward to such a time. Lol. Though my post was in the context of a regional state where you can't control immigration Let me ask you this, Do you see the country breaking up in the next 20 years?
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Jun 11, 2016 19:52:08 GMT
Bro, in the event that they come into our Yoruba country as refugees, the scenario would be totally different from what obtains presently coz then they would be foreigners in our country and treated as such; they would be camped in a remote part of the country, and would require official permission to leave their camp -- sort of like the way Liberian refugees were treated in Nigeria during their civil war. I eagerly look forward to such a time. Lol. Though my post was in the context of a regional state where you can't control immigration Let me ask you this, Do you see the country breaking up in the next 20 years? Definitely! Matter of fact,I see it breaking up in (tops) no more than a decade from now. I could be wrong but that's my prognosis. At worst it will be restructured to something akin to a regional system of government. The dynamics of today's world have changed in favor of the ND militants -- they are successfully crippling the economy enough to bring the country to her knees, and you and I know the government lacks both the political will and the tactics to defeat them as their methods are practically guerrilla in nature. It's either the FG gives them what they demand or go all out to decimate them (which is unlikely due to the potential backlash such a move would generate internationally). Let's not kid ourselves, they are really hitting the country where it really hurts -- Oyel money. And the government simply can't diversify the economy fast enough to cushion its effects. Consequently, these effects will continue to put the FG under unprecedented pressure. Oil [money] is the hlue that binds Nigeria are as a country, and the militants are acting based on this true premise. These militants are motivated enough and have enough experience under their belt to enable them to continue their struggle for the long haul. These are folks who obviously don't really care about the damage they are doing to their immediate environment. Add to that the fact that they are obviously enjoying tacit support from SS governors and powerful politicians in their region, plus strategic support from the unrelenting Biafrans. I don't know but I just feel that under all these prevailing circumstances, Nigeria has crossed a threshold that makes her disintegration inevitable.
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Post by Honorebu on Jun 11, 2016 20:00:05 GMT
Though my post was in the context of a regional state where you can't control immigration Let me ask you this, Do you see the country breaking up in the next 20 years? Definitely! Matter of fact,I see it breaking up in (tops) no more than a decade from now. I could be wrong but that's my prognosis. At worst it will be restructured to something akin to a regional system of government. The dynamics of today's world have changed in favor of the ND militants -- they are successfully crippling the economy enough to bring the country to her knees, and you and I know the government lacks both the political will and the tactics to defeat them as their methods are practically guerrilla in nature. It's either the FG gives them what they demand or go all out to decimate them (which is unlikely due to the potential backlash such a move would generate internationally). Let's not kid ourselves, they are really hitting the country where it really hurts -- Oyel money. And the government simply can't diversify the economy fast enough to cushion its effects. Consequently, these effects will continue to put the FG under unprecedented pressure. These militants are motivated enough and have enough experience under their belt to enable them to continue their struggle for the long haul. These are folks who obviously don't really care about the damage they are doing to their immediate environment. Add to that the fact that they are obviously enjoying tacit support from SS governors and powerful politicians in their region, plus strategic support from the unrelenting Biafrans. I don't know but I just feel that under all these prevailing circumstances, Nigeria has crossed a threshold that makes her disintegration inevitable. Interesting. I foresee the country being restructured in the next few years. It's inevitable as a result of the general consensus in the South. But as for disintegration, eerm I don't see that happening anytime soon to be frank but who knows
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Post by Short_Biscuit on Jun 11, 2016 20:49:27 GMT
Definitely! Matter of fact,I see it breaking up in (tops) no more than a decade from now. I could be wrong but that's my prognosis. At worst it will be restructured to something akin to a regional system of government. The dynamics of today's world have changed in favor of the ND militants -- they are successfully crippling the economy enough to bring the country to her knees, and you and I know the government lacks both the political will and the tactics to defeat them as their methods are practically guerrilla in nature. It's either the FG gives them what they demand or go all out to decimate them (which is unlikely due to the potential backlash such a move would generate internationally). Let's not kid ourselves, they are really hitting the country where it really hurts -- Oyel money. And the government simply can't diversify the economy fast enough to cushion its effects. Consequently, these effects will continue to put the FG under unprecedented pressure. These militants are motivated enough and have enough experience under their belt to enable them to continue their struggle for the long haul. These are folks who obviously don't really care about the damage they are doing to their immediate environment. Add to that the fact that they are obviously enjoying tacit support from SS governors and powerful politicians in their region, plus strategic support from the unrelenting Biafrans. I don't know but I just feel that under all these prevailing circumstances, Nigeria has crossed a threshold that makes her disintegration inevitable. Interesting. I foresee the country being restructured in the next few years. It's inevitable as a result of the general consensus in the South. But as for disintegration, eerm I don't see that happening anytime soon to be frank but who knows Like I stated in my earlier submission, Oil [money] is the tie that binds Nigeria as a country, and the ND militants are acting based on this true premise. Right after the counter coup that terminated Ironsi's govt, the leader of that coup in the person of the late Murtala Muhammed at some point almost effected the secession of the North from the rest of Nigeria, so that right there is enough evidence that under the right circumstance, the Northerners can also support secession from Nigeria if it aligns with their interests. Honestly IMO, a regional system will still fail once again if adopted just as it did the last time, unless it includes a clause that will make the path to secession an option coz such a system didn't prevent the Northerners who were in power at the centre even then, from meddling in the internal politics of the separate regions and playing the South against themselves,leading eventually to the collapse of the first republic just 6-years after independence. In fact i feel such a system will ultimately work against Yorubaland. The Western region suffered under the previous regional system coz regionalism didn't stop other tribes from flooding and invading the region and trying successfully to meddle in and destabilize her politically -- Zik's attempts to become Premiere in the Region, and the Akintola/Balewa/Ahmadu Bello alliance which culminated in the incaseration of Awo and destabilization of the region are classic case in point. Personally,I prefer outright disintegration coz I am tired of the hostility that the competition for power generates within the polity -- the 3 major tribes will always be out to sabotage each other for power. These are ethnicities that are homogeneous and big enough to stand alone as separate countries, so why force each other to remain together and hold back one another's progress??
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Post by Honorebu on Jun 11, 2016 21:41:16 GMT
Interesting. I foresee the country being restructured in the next few years. It's inevitable as a result of the general consensus in the South. But as for disintegration, eerm I don't see that happening anytime soon to be frank but who knows Like I stated in my earlier submission, Oil [money] is the tie that binds Nigeria as a country, and the ND militants are acting based on this true premise. Right after the counter coup that terminated Ironsi's govt, the leader of that coup in the person of the late Murtala Muhammed at some point almost effected the secession of the North from the rest of Nigeria, so that right there is enough evidence that under the right circumstance, the Northerners can also support secession from Nigeria if it aligns with their interests. Honestly IMO, a regional system will still fail once again if adopted just as it did the last time, unless it includes a clause that will make the path to secession an option coz such a system didn't prevent the Northerners who were in power at the centre even then, from meddling in the internal politics of the separate regions and playing the South against themselves,leading eventually to the collapse of the first republic just 6-years after independence. In fact i feel such a system will ultimately work against Yorubaland. The Western region suffered under the previous regional system coz regionalism didn't stop other tribes from flooding and invading the region and trying successfully to meddle in and destabilize her politically -- Zik's attempts to become Premiere in the Region, and the Akintola/Balewa/Ahmadu Bello alliance which culminated in the incaseration of Awo and destabilization of the region are classic case in point. Personally,I prefer outright disintegration coz I am tired of the hostility that the competition for power generates within the polity -- the 3 major tribes will always be out to sabotage each other for power. These are ethnicities that are homogeneous and big enough to stand alone as separate countries, so why force each other to remain together and hold back one another's progress?? Same here. I really want outright disintegration but I'm just trying to be a realist But let's see how everything pan out sha. At least na only we dey watch the movie lol
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Post by Ogbeni Ogunnaike on Jun 11, 2016 21:45:21 GMT
Omo, I laff taya for that "Akpabio" thread yesterday. Kudos to the Yoruba e-warriors on that thread, particularly one Nigger with the moniker "hundredhundred". Our own Shymmex too was there remolding the flat heads of our SE "brothers" with e-chisels and e-hammers... On a more serious note, I see nothing wrong with the increased agitation for Biafra among some Igbos, not with the marginalization of their region over the years, the seemingly impossible Igbo presidency and the very careless and insensitive 5%/97% statement by PMB. Well, I think the faults lie in the way the Biafra agitators go about it and the indifference on the part of their elites. Nigeria's permanent representative to the UN, Professor Joy Ogwu is an Igbo woman and I doubt she's in support of an Igbo Nation. She could have easily submitted a request for a Biafra Nation to the UN. I also doubt if Niggers like Ifeanyi Uba, Cosmas Maduka, Orji Uzor Kalu, Jim Ovia, Peter Obi, et al would want to be non-citizens in Lagos considering their huge investments in the state... At times, I feel for the flat heads sha. Ah, but who is really to blame for this situation but they themselves? The Igbo masses refuse to hold the their elites to account, and when one of "their own" is accused of corruption by non-Igbos or the government, they never waste time to defend the crooks with nonsense like "na my person!", "witch hunt!" and "leave our son/daughter alone!". Look at how they always come out in force to attack critics of Alison Madueke and Stella Oduah, even when it's just someone pointing out the horrible job Oduah did with Enugu "International" airport. From the way these people defend Oduah's terrible work, you'd think it was Yoruba and Hausa-Fulani people who needed that airport the most! The strangest thing of all is that when it comes to defending thieves, these people don't even mind when the crook isn't Igbo, and they'll be the ones to turn up to protest even when the accused is being stoned by his or her kinsmen - just look at Ohaneze and Bukola Saraki ... It's the same attitude towards crime that drives the rich among them to prefer investing in Lagos than back home, where they have to always worry about the threat of kidnapping. The only thing a Biafran state will excel at is in fostering international criminal rings. I will one day quote this on a befitting Nairaland thread. Mark my words....lol!
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